rec.autos.simulators

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:22:53

If you can't raise Asus support online, how do you get a new board under
warranty (3 years); or did you just buy a new board?

> Steve, I have to agree with Goy on this one. The first A7N8X Deluxe I
> purchased was DOA, as was the one a buddy of mine got too. After multiple
> attempts to reset the bios with no luck (the board wouldn't even post), I
> returned the board for another one and it booted up immediately.
> I've spent a fair amount of time on the amdmb forums and it seems as
though
> Asus has had a bit of a quality control problem for a while now soooooo...
> don't beat your head against the wall for too long trying to get it to
boot.
> If resetting the bios doesn't help you may just have to grab yourself
> another board and try again. Oh, and trying to get e-mail support from
Asus
> is paramount to trying to push a rope up hill...Good luck, you'll need it.
> lol

> --
> See ya in the pits,
> Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > I would try to reset the bios on the m/b. Then if that doesnt work try
> > another power supply..

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by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:24:18

A dead batt usually just reverts the board to the BIOS defaults (i.e., if
you make any changes, it doesn't save them); it usually doesn't prevent the
board from at least completing the POST.

> >Need some help here.

> >Building a new rig. Got an Athlon 2700+ from a friend, bought an Asus
A7N8X
> >Deluxe mobo to go with it. Installed the chip, a vid card (nVid 5200
> >Ultra), and 2 sticks of Corsair 3200 RAM, Antec 350W PSU, went to boot it
> >up...no joy. Nada-zilch-fogeddaboudit; not even a vid card sign on
splash
> >screen. (PSU powered up the fans and the PSU LED.)

> try a replacement bios battery. i remember when i got mine the a7n8x
suffered
> from bad batteries. google it for more details

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:26:59

Thanks Pete. Yes, I checked all the jumpers (and reconnected the case
connectors) just to make sure. Even if the BIOS jumper had been set to
clear, it shouldn't prevent some POST beeps. Thus far, the board has been
quiet as a churchmouse.

> > Hi again Tom,

> > According to the Asus Website, the A7N8X Deluxe wants Corsair
CMX512-3200C
> > RAM...which is exactly what was in there. Nonetheless, I "borrowed" 2
> > sticks of RAM from the Fragbox. No joy. Same thing: fans would spool
up,
> > but 5 sec. later, the mobo would shut itself off.

> > ...and KingsHead,

> > I made damn sure the CPU fan was hooked up to the appropriate header.
It
> > is.

> > I can't follow your suggestion to hold down the DEL key during boot-up
to
> > access the BIOS 'cuz it doesn't boot. No vid-card sign-on, no nuthin.
Just
> > 5 sec. of fan activity, then silence. And a very dark screen.

> > I will try clearing the BIOS, as per Goy's suggestion. I don't think
the
> > PSU (brand new) is the prob, but I will put the DMM on it and see if its
> > producing appropriate voltages.

> > Thanks again, guys.

> > --Steve

> > > Thanks, Tom, I'll check it out (I can steal 2 sticks of PC3200 RAM
from my
> > > FragBox).

> > > > This is a quick reply......without having time to check my notes and
> > > > confirm.....sorry I'm late getting out to the track.

> > > > But......

> > > > Sounds like a ram problem. Is the Corsair ram rated for that mobo?
> > Some
> > > > Corsair sticks won't work in it (even though the ASUS site says they
> > > > will....don't believe it.....check their boards for what will and
will
> > not
> > > > work). I have two of these mobo's by the way (with Corsair ram in
both,
> > > but
> > > > not the kind you are using). Do you have them in the correct slots?
> > You
> > > > have to have them in #2 and #3 (not #1) for some reason...but can't
> > > remember
> > > > it right at this moment, without checking my install notes.

> > > > Achim Trensz......fairly regular on here, knows these mobo's
backwards

> If it were memory then the mobo should make some beeping noises. As
> others have said, its either the mobo or perhaps its earthing somewhere.
> You have checked the bios jumper on the mobo to make sure its not set to
> clear cmos.
> --
> Pete Ives
> Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:27:04

Thanks, Sid - will do.

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13&sid=7d3d18dffc1c1b...

> someone will have answers for you and have you up and running in no time.
> Sid.

> > Need some help here.

> > Building a new rig. Got an Athlon 2700+ from a friend, bought an Asus
> A7N8X
> > Deluxe mobo to go with it. Installed the chip, a vid card (nVid 5200
> > Ultra), and 2 sticks of Corsair 3200 RAM, Antec 350W PSU, went to boot
it
> > up...no joy. Nada-zilch-fogeddaboudit; not even a vid card sign on
splash
> > screen. (PSU powered up the fans and the PSU LED.)

> > Swapped out all the components except the CPU and the mobo; everything
> else
> > works fine. Bought another chip (Athlon XP 3000+), plugged it in. Now
> the
> > PSU comes on for abt. 5 sec., then shuts down. Still no GPU sign-on
> screen.
> > WTF?

> > What am I doing wrong? I must've built a dozen 'putas by now, and I've
> > never seen anything like THIS.

> > Anybody got any ideas?

> > --Steve

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:54:34

> Mitch,

> Yes, it's in a case (Antec), and the power switch (when pushed) does start
> the PSU. If I take out the CPU and turn it on (in which case it does NOT
> shut down in a coupla sec.), the power switch will turn it off when held in
> for 4-5 sec., as it's supposed to, otherwise I might suspect the switch was
> shorted out. I may try yer screwdriver trick just to make sure.

> At first, I had the sink & fan mounted on the CPU, since I wasn't
> anticipating any trouble. With all the troubleshooting, I dismounted the
> sink/fan from the CPU and have left it plugged in but upside down next to
> the CPU, assuming that the CPU won't overheat in 30-60 sec. When, as, and
> if I ever get it to boot as far as the vid sign-on and BIOS, I will shut it
> down and remount it on the CPU.

AMD CPU's cook in about 2 secs flat........never EVER run an AMD without
proper cooling, if you haven't cooked your CPU it's pure luck, you can
do this with Intel CPU's but not with AMD's.......

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:58:49

> Goy,

> If it's a bad mobo, what's the point of resetting the BIOS? I've never had
> the mobo in operation, so I don't know what the BIOS settings are...but I
> can't see that it makes much difference if I can't even get as far as the
> BIOS.

Well, if it's a *bad* bad MoBo, then resetting the BIOS won't help, but
resetting the BIOS makes the MoBo run at "safe" settings for everything
and an a bad MoBo may be able to boot up at say 100FSB even if it won't
boot at 133/166/200, it's just a shot in the dark as you'll need to
return the MoBo anyways, but without getting it to boot it's difficult
to do any real troubleshooting

I've had plenty of RAM, MoBo's and CPU's that won't run at their
intended speed

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:08:52

Sid,

Thanks for the link to the nForce forum. Found this gem amongst the FAQs:

**************
Q. My computer boots up and shuts down after a few seconds. Whats the deal?
A. This is ASUS COP (overheat protection) kicking in so you dont fry your
CPU. Be thankful that you are not out buying a new processor right now. Make
sure your heatsink is mounted correctly, there is a raised part on the
socket with the letters "socket 462" on it, there is also a notched out, or
indentation on one side of the heatsink, this notched out piece fits over
the raised area of the socket. If you put your heatsink on incorrectly the
heatsink will NOT touch the CPU core and can cause this issue. For a graphic
demonstration of how to place your heatsink on our CPU check out
TomsHardware. The top picture shows the raised part of the socket (on the
far left) and the notched out part of the heatsink (also on the far left).
**************

This seems to be what's going on, BUT as far as I can see, the heatsink IS

TomsHardware site). Is there any way to disable the COP feature to see if
that's what's causing the prob?

--Steve

P.S. This forum and some strong comments here:

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=565 (highly recommended reading)

make it sound like the A7N8X Deluxe's SoundStorm audio is better than the
Audigy 2 CZ and the mAudio Revolution combined! Sure wish I could hear for
myself....

> Thanks, Sid - will do.

> > Try leaving a post here

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13&sid=7d3d18dffc1c1b...

> > someone will have answers for you and have you up and running in no
time.
> > Sid.

> > > Need some help here.

> > > Building a new rig. Got an Athlon 2700+ from a friend, bought an Asus
> > A7N8X
> > > Deluxe mobo to go with it. Installed the chip, a vid card (nVid 5200
> > > Ultra), and 2 sticks of Corsair 3200 RAM, Antec 350W PSU, went to boot
> it
> > > up...no joy. Nada-zilch-fogeddaboudit; not even a vid card sign on
> splash
> > > screen. (PSU powered up the fans and the PSU LED.)

> > > Swapped out all the components except the CPU and the mobo; everything
> > else
> > > works fine. Bought another chip (Athlon XP 3000+), plugged it in.
Now
> > the
> > > PSU comes on for abt. 5 sec., then shuts down. Still no GPU sign-on
> > screen.
> > > WTF?

> > > What am I doing wrong? I must've built a dozen 'putas by now, and
I've
> > > never seen anything like THIS.

> > > Anybody got any ideas?

> > > --Steve

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:24:40

Yer point is well taken, Goy, but 1. the mobo hasn't even gotten to the
POST, much less the BIOS, Windows, or any apps, so I don't think it's
running at full chat, and 2. it's not even warm to the touch. Nonetheless,
I will securely mount the fan (a Zalman copper model that weighs more than
my lifetime penny collection) to the CPU w. Artic Silver.

> > Mitch,

> > Yes, it's in a case (Antec), and the power switch (when pushed) does
start
> > the PSU. If I take out the CPU and turn it on (in which case it does
NOT
> > shut down in a coupla sec.), the power switch will turn it off when held
in
> > for 4-5 sec., as it's supposed to, otherwise I might suspect the switch
was
> > shorted out. I may try yer screwdriver trick just to make sure.

> > At first, I had the sink & fan mounted on the CPU, since I wasn't
> > anticipating any trouble. With all the troubleshooting, I dismounted
the
> > sink/fan from the CPU and have left it plugged in but upside down next
to
> > the CPU, assuming that the CPU won't overheat in 30-60 sec. When, as,
and
> > if I ever get it to boot as far as the vid sign-on and BIOS, I will shut
it
> > down and remount it on the CPU.

> AMD CPU's cook in about 2 secs flat........never EVER run an AMD without
> proper cooling, if you haven't cooked your CPU it's pure luck, you can
> do this with Intel CPU's but not with AMD's.......

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:58:28

You think YOUR memory is bad; I can't remember where the store was I bought
it from!

> I took it back to the store I bought it from and they gladly replaced it
for
> me, no questions asked.

> --
> See ya in the pits,
> Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > If you can't raise Asus support online, how do you get a new board under
> > warranty (3 years); or did you just buy a new board?

> > > Steve, I have to agree with Goy on this one. The first A7N8X Deluxe I
> > > purchased was DOA, as was the one a buddy of mine got too. After
> multiple
> > > attempts to reset the bios with no luck (the board wouldn't even
post),
> I
> > > returned the board for another one and it booted up immediately.
> > > I've spent a fair amount of time on the amdmb forums and it seems as
> > though
> > > Asus has had a bit of a quality control problem for a while now
> soooooo...
> > > don't beat your head against the wall for too long trying to get it to
> > boot.
> > > If resetting the bios doesn't help you may just have to grab yourself
> > > another board and try again. Oh, and trying to get e-mail support from
> > Asus
> > > is paramount to trying to push a rope up hill...Good luck, you'll need
> it.
> > > lol

> > > --
> > > See ya in the pits,
> > > Dean

> > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember
> how
> > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > I would try to reset the bios on the m/b. Then if that doesnt work
try
> > > > another power supply..

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by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:02:36

> This seems to be what's going on, BUT as far as I can see, the
> heatsink IS mounted properly (at least, it looks like the

> the COP feature to see if that's what's causing the prob?

> --Steve

Having cooked a couple of AMD cpu's I can vouch for the speed with which
the expire. This COP thingy sounds neat but it could be interfering with
the boot process. I wonder, have you used the included sticky adesive tape
or some Artic Silver heat goop? Spreading too much goop is just as bad as
too little.
dh

by **Steve Smit** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:14:08

Hi Dave,

Asus has a movie on their site of a CPU expiring. The chip (an AMD, natch)
actually gets quite hot before it smokes, but it takes longer than 30 sec.
from a cold start. I wasn't planning to run the thing w/o a fan, but I
wanted to see if it would boot w/o it. It wouldn't. I have reattached the
HSF.

The thermal tape is certainly a lot easier to apply w. any precision than
the paste, but I've used the paste enuf times to be a fairly good judge.
It's not as demanding as, say, welding.

Everybody sez the paste is a lot more effective than the tape, or I would've
been using the latter in the first place.

BTW, I've never toasted a CPU (full disclosure: I haven't done any
overclocking since 1994).

A Google search of the user groups has convinced me that this "rogue COP"
phenom is common enuf that it's prolly a bad mobo, not inexperience on my
part. Hence, I think I will take it to my local ('puta) hot rod shop and
let them handle it. I'm getting to old for this, as they say in every buddy
flick made in the past 25 years.

--Steve

> > This seems to be what's going on, BUT as far as I can see, the
> > heatsink IS mounted properly (at least, it looks like the

> > the COP feature to see if that's what's causing the prob?

> > --Steve

> Having cooked a couple of AMD cpu's I can vouch for the speed with
which
> the expire. This COP thingy sounds neat but it could be interfering with
> the boot process. I wonder, have you used the included sticky adesive
tape
> or some Artic Silver heat goop? Spreading too much goop is just as bad as
> too little.
> dh

by **Dean Purd** » Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:18:39

Bought what from?

--
See ya in the pits,
Dean

I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> You think YOUR memory is bad; I can't remember where the store was I
bought
> it from!

> > I took it back to the store I bought it from and they gladly replaced it
> for
> > me, no questions asked.

> > --
> > See ya in the pits,
> > Dean

> > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember
how
> > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > If you can't raise Asus support online, how do you get a new board
under
> > > warranty (3 years); or did you just buy a new board?

> > > > Steve, I have to agree with Goy on this one. The first A7N8X Deluxe
I
> > > > purchased was DOA, as was the one a buddy of mine got too. After
> > multiple
> > > > attempts to reset the bios with no luck (the board wouldn't even
> post),
> > I
> > > > returned the board for another one and it booted up immediately.
> > > > I've spent a fair amount of time on the amdmb forums and it seems as
> > > though
> > > > Asus has had a bit of a quality control problem for a while now
> > soooooo...
> > > > don't beat your head against the wall for too long trying to get it
to
> > > boot.
> > > > If resetting the bios doesn't help you may just have to grab yoursel
f
> > > > another board and try again. Oh, and trying to get e-mail support
from
> > > Asus
> > > > is paramount to trying to push a rope up hill...Good luck, you'll
need
> > it.
> > > > lol

> > > > --
> > > > See ya in the pits,
> > > > Dean

> > > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't
remember
> > how
> > > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > > I would try to reset the bios on the m/b. Then if that doesnt work
> try
> > > > > another power supply..

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by **Steve Smit** » Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:44:24

Lemme think, was it bad RAM? Or just a bad memory? Can you repeat the Q?

> Bought what from?

> --
> See ya in the pits,
> Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > You think YOUR memory is bad; I can't remember where the store was I
> bought
> > it from!

> > > I took it back to the store I bought it from and they gladly replaced
it
> > for
> > > me, no questions asked.

> > > --
> > > See ya in the pits,
> > > Dean

> > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember
> how
> > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > If you can't raise Asus support online, how do you get a new board
> under
> > > > warranty (3 years); or did you just buy a new board?

> > > > > Steve, I have to agree with Goy on this one. The first A7N8X
Deluxe
> I
> > > > > purchased was DOA, as was the one a buddy of mine got too. After
> > > multiple
> > > > > attempts to reset the bios with no luck (the board wouldn't even
> > post),
> > > I
> > > > > returned the board for another one and it booted up immediately.
> > > > > I've spent a fair amount of time on the amdmb forums and it seems
as
> > > > though
> > > > > Asus has had a bit of a quality control problem for a while now
> > > soooooo...
> > > > > don't beat your head against the wall for too long trying to get
it
> to
> > > > boot.
> > > > > If resetting the bios doesn't help you may just have to grab
yoursel
> f
> > > > > another board and try again. Oh, and trying to get e-mail support
> from
> > > > Asus
> > > > > is paramount to trying to push a rope up hill...Good luck, you'll
> need
> > > it.
> > > > > lol

> > > > > --
> > > > > See ya in the pits,
> > > > > Dean

> > > > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't
> remember
> > > how
> > > > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > > > I would try to reset the bios on the m/b. Then if that doesnt
work
> > try
> > > > > > another power supply..

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by **Dean Purd** » Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:48:29

Q

--
See ya in the pits,
Dean

I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> Lemme think, was it bad RAM? Or just a bad memory? Can you repeat the Q?

> > Bought what from?

> > --
> > See ya in the pits,
> > Dean

> > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember
how
> > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > You think YOUR memory is bad; I can't remember where the store was I
> > bought
> > > it from!

> > > > I took it back to the store I bought it from and they gladly
replaced
> it
> > > for
> > > > me, no questions asked.

> > > > --
> > > > See ya in the pits,
> > > > Dean

> > > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't
remember
> > how
> > > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > > If you can't raise Asus support online, how do you get a new board
> > under
> > > > > warranty (3 years); or did you just buy a new board?

> > > > > > Steve, I have to agree with Goy on this one. The first A7N8X
> Deluxe
> > I
> > > > > > purchased was DOA, as was the one a buddy of mine got too. After
> > > > multiple
> > > > > > attempts to reset the bios with no luck (the board wouldn't even
> > > post),
> > > > I
> > > > > > returned the board for another one and it booted up immediately.
> > > > > > I've spent a fair amount of time on the amdmb forums and it
seems
> as
> > > > > though
> > > > > > Asus has had a bit of a quality control problem for a while now
> > > > soooooo...
> > > > > > don't beat your head against the wall for too long trying to get
> it
> > to
> > > > > boot.
> > > > > > If resetting the bios doesn't help you may just have to grab
> yoursel
> > f
> > > > > > another board and try again. Oh, and trying to get e-mail
support
> > from
> > > > > Asus
> > > > > > is paramount to trying to push a rope up hill...Good luck,
you'll
> > need
> > > > it.
> > > > > > lol

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > See ya in the pits,
> > > > > > Dean

> > > > > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't
> > remember
> > > > how
> > > > > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > > > > I would try to reset the bios on the m/b. Then if that doesnt
> work
> > > try
> > > > > > > another power supply..

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by **Steve Smit** » Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:13:24

Did I say this already?

Apologies all around! The difficulties I was experiencing with my
brand new A7NX8 DeLuxe (Asus' COP protection feature would shut down the
board within 5 sec. of the time it was started) were entirely of my own
making.

I mistakenly thought I had installed the HSF (heat sink/fan)
correctly, but nooooooo. Actually, the first time I installed it was
right...but it was on a bad CPU. When I installed the 2nd CPU, I
inadvertently rotated the base of the heat sink 180 deg., so that it was
resting on the step-up shown on the left side of this picture:

http://www17.tomshardware.com/howto/20020918/diy_2-05.html

Once I got it turned the right way 'round, the board fired right up.

Doh!

I'm so ashamed....

Anyway, thanks one & all fer all yer help. And for persisting w. what
ultimately emerged as the proper solution to my "problem."

--Mea Culpa

> Q

> --
> See ya in the pits,
> Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > Lemme think, was it bad RAM? Or just a bad memory? Can you repeat the
Q?

> > > Bought what from?

> > > --
> > > See ya in the pits,
> > > Dean

> > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember
> how
> > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > You think YOUR memory is bad; I can't remember where the store was I
> > > bought
> > > > it from!

> > > > > I took it back to the store I bought it from and they gladly
> replaced
> > it
> > > > for
> > > > > me, no questions asked.

> > > > > --
> > > > > See ya in the pits,
> > > > > Dean

> > > > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't
> remember
> > > how
> > > > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > > > If you can't raise Asus support online, how do you get a new
board
> > > under
> > > > > > warranty (3 years); or did you just buy a new board?

> > > > > > > Steve, I have to agree with Goy on this one. The first A7N8X
> > Deluxe
> > > I
> > > > > > > purchased was DOA, as was the one a buddy of mine got too.
After
> > > > > multiple
> > > > > > > attempts to reset the bios with no luck (the board wouldn't
even
> > > > post),
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > returned the board for another one and it booted up
immediately.
> > > > > > > I've spent a fair amount of time on the amdmb forums and it
> seems
> > as
> > > > > > though
> > > > > > > Asus has had a bit of a quality control problem for a while
now
> > > > > soooooo...
> > > > > > > don't beat your head against the wall for too long trying to
get
> > it
> > > to
> > > > > > boot.
> > > > > > > If resetting the bios doesn't help you may just have to grab
> > yoursel
> > > f
> > > > > > > another board and try again. Oh, and trying to get e-mail
> support
> > > from
> > > > > > Asus
> > > > > > > is paramount to trying to push a rope up hill...Good luck,
> you'll
> > > need
> > > > > it.
> > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > See ya in the pits,
> > > > > > > Dean

> > > > > > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't
> > > remember
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > > > > > > > I would try to reset the bios on the m/b. Then if that
doesnt
> > work
> > > > try
> > > > > > > > another power supply..

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