rec.autos.simulators

>>>>> Because everyone knows that replays are all pre-rendered and don't use
>>>>> in-game graphics...

>>>> GT3 on the PS2 looks fantastic during replays. The actual in game
>>>> graphics are a pixellated low texture nightmare. Same for practically
>>>> any other decent driving games of recent years. The pictures in the
>>>> OP's message are obviously pre-rendered or replay footage.

>>> On my copy of GT3/C/4P/4 the replays look like in-game, only from a
>>> different angle. Cars in GT look hi-res and stunning, even in game.

>>> --
>>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> I think 4 and maybe 3, and as I mentioned Forza are all pretty good at
>> just looking very pretty in both live and replay.

>Although I am still of the opinion that GT4 destroys Forza graphically.

> >>>> Because everyone knows that replays are all pre-rendered and don't use
> >>>> in-game graphics...

> >>> GT3 on the PS2 looks fantastic during replays. The actual in game
> >>> graphics are a pixellated low texture nightmare. Same for practically
> >>> any other decent driving games of recent years. The pictures in the
> >>> OP's message are obviously pre-rendered or replay footage.

> >> On my copy of GT3/C/4P/4 the replays look like in-game, only from a
> >> different angle. Cars in GT look hi-res and stunning, even in game.

> >> --
> >> http://myspace.com/zomoniac

> > I think 4 and maybe 3, and as I mentioned Forza are all pretty good at
> > just looking very pretty in both live and replay.

> Although I am still of the opinion that GT4 destroys Forza graphically.

> --
> http://myspace.com/zomoniac

> > >>>> Because everyone knows that replays are all pre-rendered and don't use
> > >>>> in-game graphics...

> > >>> GT3 on the PS2 looks fantastic during replays. The actual in game
> > >>> graphics are a pixellated low texture nightmare. Same for practically
> > >>> any other decent driving games of recent years. The pictures in the
> > >>> OP's message are obviously pre-rendered or replay footage.

> > >> On my copy of GT3/C/4P/4 the replays look like in-game, only from a
> > >> different angle. Cars in GT look hi-res and stunning, even in game.

> > >> --
> > >> http://myspace.com/zomoniac

> > > I think 4 and maybe 3, and as I mentioned Forza are all pretty good at
> > > just looking very pretty in both live and replay.

> > Although I am still of the opinion that GT4 destroys Forza graphically.

> > --
> > http://myspace.com/zomoniac

> I'm 50/50. I certainly don't brag about either but when i was laying
> both I thought GT4 was sharper, the edges of the vehicles seemed
> cleaner and the cars just looked right. The other thing is the much
> vaunted visual mods on forza, the vinyl's etc. they appear very low
> rez and chunky and sometimes shadows actually have almost square
> stepping, very bad shadows like I used to notice in the original Gran
> turismo when driving the Honda sports car the shadows under the
> spoiler always looked glued on later. backgrounds on forza are also
> often hazy, soft edged, like paintings rather than realistic.

> I think the biggest problem for GT4 was a feeling of having been here
> so many times before. Even new tracks have that feel, like nothing had
> been added even when it obviously had. They made a big mistake with
> that game, specially with the crash damage thing in which department
> Forza stomps all over the old codger with size twelves.

> > > >>>> Because everyone knows that replays are all pre-rendered and don't use
> > > >>>> in-game graphics...

> > > >>> GT3 on the PS2 looks fantastic during replays. The actual in game
> > > >>> graphics are a pixellated low texture nightmare. Same for practically
> > > >>> any other decent driving games of recent years. The pictures in the
> > > >>> OP's message are obviously pre-rendered or replay footage.

> > > >> On my copy of GT3/C/4P/4 the replays look like in-game, only from a
> > > >> different angle. Cars in GT look hi-res and stunning, even in game.

> > > >> --
> > > >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > > I think 4 and maybe 3, and as I mentioned Forza are all pretty good at
> > > > just looking very pretty in both live and replay.

> > > Although I am still of the opinion that GT4 destroys Forza graphically.

> > > --
> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > I'm 50/50. I certainly don't brag about either but when i was laying
> > both I thought GT4 was sharper, the edges of the vehicles seemed
> > cleaner and the cars just looked right. The other thing is the much
> > vaunted visual mods on forza, the vinyl's etc. they appear very low
> > rez and chunky and sometimes shadows actually have almost square
> > stepping, very bad shadows like I used to notice in the original Gran
> > turismo when driving the Honda sports car the shadows under the
> > spoiler always looked glued on later. backgrounds on forza are also
> > often hazy, soft edged, like paintings rather than realistic.

> > I think the biggest problem for GT4 was a feeling of having been here
> > so many times before. Even new tracks have that feel, like nothing had
> > been added even when it obviously had. They made a big mistake with
> > that game, specially with the crash damage thing in which department
> > Forza stomps all over the old codger with size twelves.

> Was something on your mind as you started that?

> > > > >>>> Because everyone knows that replays are all pre-rendered and don't use
> > > > >>>> in-game graphics...

> > > > >>> GT3 on the PS2 looks fantastic during replays. The actual in game
> > > > >>> graphics are a pixellated low texture nightmare. Same for practically
> > > > >>> any other decent driving games of recent years. The pictures in the
> > > > >>> OP's message are obviously pre-rendered or replay footage.

> > > > >> On my copy of GT3/C/4P/4 the replays look like in-game, only from a
> > > > >> different angle. Cars in GT look hi-res and stunning, even in game.

> > > > >> --
> > > > >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > > > I think 4 and maybe 3, and as I mentioned Forza are all pretty good at
> > > > > just looking very pretty in both live and replay.

> > > > Although I am still of the opinion that GT4 destroys Forza graphically.

> > > > --
> > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > I'm 50/50. I certainly don't brag about either but when i was laying
> > > both I thought GT4 was sharper, the edges of the vehicles seemed
> > > cleaner and the cars just looked right. The other thing is the much
> > > vaunted visual mods on forza, the vinyl's etc. they appear very low
> > > rez and chunky and sometimes shadows actually have almost square
> > > stepping, very bad shadows like I used to notice in the original Gran
> > > turismo when driving the Honda sports car the shadows under the
> > > spoiler always looked glued on later. backgrounds on forza are also
> > > often hazy, soft edged, like paintings rather than realistic.

> > > I think the biggest problem for GT4 was a feeling of having been here
> > > so many times before. Even new tracks have that feel, like nothing had
> > > been added even when it obviously had. They made a big mistake with
> > > that game, specially with the crash damage thing in which department
> > > Forza stomps all over the old codger with size twelves.

> > Was something on your mind as you started that?

> Why? Is it a mess? I have actually had one of those days today, you
> know, where you feel like everything is a dream and you're going to
> wake up in a minute and think, thank *** for that.

> > > > > >>>> Because everyone knows that replays are all pre-rendered and don't use
> > > > > >>>> in-game graphics...

> > > > > >>> GT3 on the PS2 looks fantastic during replays. The actual in game
> > > > > >>> graphics are a pixellated low texture nightmare. Same for practically
> > > > > >>> any other decent driving games of recent years. The pictures in the
> > > > > >>> OP's message are obviously pre-rendered or replay footage.

> > > > > >> On my copy of GT3/C/4P/4 the replays look like in-game, only from a
> > > > > >> different angle. Cars in GT look hi-res and stunning, even in game.

> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > > > > I think 4 and maybe 3, and as I mentioned Forza are all pretty good at
> > > > > > just looking very pretty in both live and replay.

> > > > > Although I am still of the opinion that GT4 destroys Forza graphically.

> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > > I'm 50/50. I certainly don't brag about either but when i was laying
> > > > both I thought GT4 was sharper, the edges of the vehicles seemed
> > > > cleaner and the cars just looked right. The other thing is the much
> > > > vaunted visual mods on forza, the vinyl's etc. they appear very low
> > > > rez and chunky and sometimes shadows actually have almost square
> > > > stepping, very bad shadows like I used to notice in the original Gran
> > > > turismo when driving the Honda sports car the shadows under the
> > > > spoiler always looked glued on later. backgrounds on forza are also
> > > > often hazy, soft edged, like paintings rather than realistic.

> > > > I think the biggest problem for GT4 was a feeling of having been here
> > > > so many times before. Even new tracks have that feel, like nothing had
> > > > been added even when it obviously had. They made a big mistake with
> > > > that game, specially with the crash damage thing in which department
> > > > Forza stomps all over the old codger with size twelves.

> > > Was something on your mind as you started that?

> > Why? Is it a mess? I have actually had one of those days today, you
> > know, where you feel like everything is a dream and you're going to
> > wake up in a minute and think, thank *** for that.

> No, it's ALL a dream, mate.  ;)

> Doing any more laying today?

> I'm 50/50. I certainly don't brag about either but when i was laying
> both I thought GT4 was sharper, the edges of the vehicles seemed
> cleaner and the cars just looked right. The other thing is the much
> vaunted visual mods on forza, the vinyl's etc. they appear very low
> rez and chunky and sometimes shadows actually have almost square
> stepping, very bad shadows like I used to notice in the original Gran
> turismo when driving the Honda sports car the shadows under the
> spoiler always looked glued on later. backgrounds on forza are also
> often hazy, soft edged, like paintings rather than realistic.

> > I'm 50/50. I certainly don't brag about either but when i was laying
> > both I thought GT4 was sharper, the edges of the vehicles seemed
> > cleaner and the cars just looked right. The other thing is the much
> > vaunted visual mods on forza, the vinyl's etc. they appear very low
> > rez and chunky and sometimes shadows actually have almost square
> > stepping, very bad shadows like I used to notice in the original Gran
> > turismo when driving the Honda sports car the shadows under the
> > spoiler always looked glued on later. backgrounds on forza are also
> > often hazy, soft edged, like paintings rather than realistic.

> Perhaps but GT4's handling of the cars is very arcady where as Forza
> was far more realistic in terms of the driving model.

> >Perhaps but GT4's handling of the cars is very arcady where as Forza
> >was far more realistic in terms of the driving model.

> Perhaps, but the braking was broke (far too sensitive).  And some
> cars show too much power-on oversteer, most show too much throttle
> sensitivity in transition from over to understeer (IMHO).

> Maybe it would have been better if I used a good wheel instead of
> the stock controller?

> Also, lots of the***pit views were broke.  For instance the NSX's
> is from a worm's eye view.  As opposed to one of the LMP cars
> (Cadillac?) which seemed to be from someone standing on top of it.

>>> Perhaps but GT4's handling of the cars is very arcady where as Forza
>>> was far more realistic in terms of the driving model.

>> Perhaps, but the braking was broke (far too sensitive).  And some
>> cars show too much power-on oversteer, most show too much throttle
>> sensitivity in transition from over to understeer (IMHO).

>> Maybe it would have been better if I used a good wheel instead of
>> the stock controller?

>> Also, lots of the***pit views were broke.  For instance the NSX's
>> is from a worm's eye view.  As opposed to one of the LMP cars
>> (Cadillac?) which seemed to be from someone standing on top of it.

> the top view on GT4 were really ***though.

> >>> Perhaps but GT4's handling of the cars is very arcady where as Forza
> >>> was far more realistic in terms of the driving model.

> >> Perhaps, but the braking was broke (far too sensitive).  And some
> >> cars show too much power-on oversteer, most show too much throttle
> >> sensitivity in transition from over to understeer (IMHO).

> >> Maybe it would have been better if I used a good wheel instead of
> >> the stock controller?

> >> Also, lots of the***pit views were broke.  For instance the NSX's
> >> is from a worm's eye view.  As opposed to one of the LMP cars
> >> (Cadillac?) which seemed to be from someone standing on top of it.

> > the top view on GT4 were really ***though.

> Which view? If you play GT from anything other than the in-car view
> then I can't take you seriously :op

>>>>> Perhaps but GT4's handling of the cars is very arcady where as Forza
>>>>> was far more realistic in terms of the driving model.

>>>> Perhaps, but the braking was broke (far too sensitive).  And some
>>>> cars show too much power-on oversteer, most show too much throttle
>>>> sensitivity in transition from over to understeer (IMHO).

>>>> Maybe it would have been better if I used a good wheel instead of
>>>> the stock controller?

>>>> Also, lots of the***pit views were broke.  For instance the NSX's
>>>> is from a worm's eye view.  As opposed to one of the LMP cars
>>>> (Cadillac?) which seemed to be from someone standing on top of it.

>>> the top view on GT4 were really ***though.

>> Which view? If you play GT from anything other than the in-car view
>> then I can't take you seriously :op

>  :O) I just dabble occasionally with all views. The one where you're
> on the roof? You can see more of the roof than anything else
> sometimes, if the vehicle is squareish and has a short front end.
> makes it look like you're driving a box.

>> Shame PS2 isn't up to the job of a***pit view, it must be said.

> But it has been, hasn't it? Colin Mcrae, the toca games?

> >>>>> Perhaps but GT4's handling of the cars is very arcady where as Forza
> >>>>> was far more realistic in terms of the driving model.

> >>>> Perhaps, but the braking was broke (far too sensitive).  And some
> >>>> cars show too much power-on oversteer, most show too much throttle
> >>>> sensitivity in transition from over to understeer (IMHO).

> >>>> Maybe it would have been better if I used a good wheel instead of
> >>>> the stock controller?

> >>>> Also, lots of the***pit views were broke.  For instance the NSX's
> >>>> is from a worm's eye view.  As opposed to one of the LMP cars
> >>>> (Cadillac?) which seemed to be from someone standing on top of it.

> >>> the top view on GT4 were really ***though.

> >> Which view? If you play GT from anything other than the in-car view
> >> then I can't take you seriously :op

> >  :O) I just dabble occasionally with all views. The one where you're
> > on the roof? You can see more of the roof than anything else
> > sometimes, if the vehicle is squareish and has a short front end.
> > makes it look like you're driving a box.

> >> Shame PS2 isn't up to the job of a***pit view, it must be said.

> > But it has been, hasn't it? Colin Mcrae, the toca games?

> Yeah but the cars there didn't look a tenth as good as on GT. I doubt
> it could get them up to a satisfactory level without sacrificing
> something major.

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