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by **Loosa** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Videogames are not all that expensive in the scheme of things, so I will
certainly be buying this game as soon as it is released in the U.S., sight
unseen, just based upon the excellence of GP2. If I get burned (which is highly
unlikely)
I will not likely buy GP4, barring rave reviews, sight unseen. I have been
burned by inferior sequels, but I have wasted money far more often on impulse
buys, with great boxart and impressive sounding features, but no track record
to go by, which GP3 has in spades.
I expect it will be as good as GPL in adherance to accuracy of physics(whether
one prefers skinnier tired cars with no downforce is a matter of personal
preference) , and easily superior graphically and otherwise. You probably won't
find yourself spinning out in every other turn, but maybe that is not the true
standard of excellence in modern F1 simulations. MCM2 did not live up to my
expectations, but it still is an excellent game. I expect GP3 will be the same
as well, my desires will always exceed reality.

by **Joachim Blu** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Second that!

by **Dave Pric** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Thats just a stupid comment. The less people buy of simulations like gp3,
the less likely hood companies & developers will be willling to put time and
money into future simulations, but rather into better selling arcade games.

dave

> > I enjoyed reading that - both times! :)
> > Some very reasonable opinions there from someone who obviously has
> > *realistic* expectations. That very much fits with my thinking towards
> GP3.
> > I was never expecting it to have a physics engine to match GPL, and from
> > when I saw the first screenshots, I could see there was the odd little
> area
> > that wasn't quite state-of-the-art.
> > As long as the GP2 gameplay is there with the close racing and top-notch
> AI,
> > I will be satisfied.

> Me too. But I will go for the Warez Final version.
> Why should I pay for something that is NOT worth its money?

> With all the hype and all the years Crammond worked on the thing, he HAS
to
> come up with something at least as good as GPL.
> No, instead, these guys know that creating a massive hype makes far more
> bucks than doing research and programming.
> Unfortunately they are right about it, but I will NOT buy it, and if you
> LOVE racing sims: you shouldn't reward them for this behaviour either!!!

> TRY before you BUY.

by **Jo Helse** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>> Hate to burst your bubble Chris. Gp3 is a let down. I had such great
>hopes and
>> after seeing it, I am very dissapointed with the graphics. It is
>basically Gp2
>> with FF back and weather effects. Really easy to drive also. 4 years to
>create
>> something like this? hell it could have been done within 6 months. I
>hope that
>> the final is alot better as I have one on order myself.

>To be honest I don't think Hasbro promised a whole lot more than just this.
>It does have some more but all the other big stuff we heard about were just
>fantasies of people.

Exactly.

And who are "THEY" in "...after the hype THEY created over the past 4 years.."?

Exactly.

From what I have heard so far, GP3 will be more or less what *I* expected it to
be, and I will be quite happy with it it seems.

JoH

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by **Mr Si** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well... i wonder.... did you race F1 2000 one time ??? Give it a chance!!!

by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> > Well if it is GP2 with 3D graphics and support for FF wheels
> > then I will certainly pass. Generally you are supposed to raise
> > the bar with new games in a series. GP3 is starting to sound
> > like GP2 with a new paint job. Wow.

> Yeah and it took a whole 4 years to do....is he the most inefficient
> computer game maker or just the laziest? Sounds like 2 years ago we
> basically had GP3 made with add-ons.

Now you know why I kept warning all of my friends on RAS
about this...

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by **Chris Bloo** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>Me too. But I will go for the Warez Final version.
>Why should I pay for something that is NOT worth its money?

Because if you don't buy it legally you will be breaking the law
perhaps?

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by **Mrv** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

So in the meantime we are supposed to supplement their income with products
that are not up to standards. Sorry I don't agree with you. When they create
something of value people will buy it hands down.

> Thats just a stupid comment. The less people buy of simulations like gp3,
> the less likely hood companies & developers will be willling to put time and
> money into future simulations, but rather into better selling arcade games.

> dave

> > > I enjoyed reading that - both times! :)
> > > Some very reasonable opinions there from someone who obviously has
> > > *realistic* expectations. That very much fits with my thinking towards
> > GP3.
> > > I was never expecting it to have a physics engine to match GPL, and from
> > > when I saw the first screenshots, I could see there was the odd little
> > area
> > > that wasn't quite state-of-the-art.
> > > As long as the GP2 gameplay is there with the close racing and top-notch
> > AI,
> > > I will be satisfied.

> > Me too. But I will go for the Warez Final version.
> > Why should I pay for something that is NOT worth its money?

> > With all the hype and all the years Crammond worked on the thing, he HAS
> to
> > come up with something at least as good as GPL.
> > No, instead, these guys know that creating a massive hype makes far more
> > bucks than doing research and programming.
> > Unfortunately they are right about it, but I will NOT buy it, and if you
> > LOVE racing sims: you shouldn't reward them for this behaviour either!!!

> > TRY before you BUY.

by **Mrv** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yes I tried F1-2000 and I threw it away. Gp3 is a better product than
F1-2000. The more you play it the more I seem to like it. Just disappointed
with the pixel graphics. Weather effects are outstanding and enjoyable. If
Gp3 had the graphics and tracks that F1 World Grandprix has it would be
amazing. There is no product out their that can compare to the quality of
circuits like F1 World Grandprix has outstanding job by Eidos.

> > The comparison F1-2000 vs. GP3 is nonexistant. It is pure fiction
> generated
> > by the EA marketing machinery.

> Well... i wonder.... did you race F1 2000 one time ??? Give it a chance!!!

by **Mr Si** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I cant believe you are saying such things about F1 WGP. Thats just a funny
arcade game (good for that, but definitly not realistic !).

Maybe GP3 will be better than F1 2000. I hope so and i expect so. But to
write down F1 2000 that fast is really strange. The tracks are very
realistic. Also the laptimes. Maybe you were not satisfied how it runned on
your system. I heard many complains about that, so if thats the case, thats
a pity. But when it runs, it runs really great. Again: give it a chance.

I personny find that F1 WGP (especially the braking is terrible) does not
belong in the list of SIMS. The tracks are not so realistic as you say.

Anyway, thats my opinion.

by **GraDe** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> >> Hate to burst your bubble Chris. Gp3 is a let down. I had such great
> >hopes and
> >> after seeing it, I am very dissapointed with the graphics. It is
> >basically Gp2
> >> with FF back and weather effects. Really easy to drive also. 4 years
to
> >create
> >> something like this? hell it could have been done within 6 months. I
> >hope that
> >> the final is alot better as I have one on order myself.

> >To be honest I don't think Hasbro promised a whole lot more than just
this.
> >It does have some more but all the other big stuff we heard about were
just
> >fantasies of people.

> Exactly.

> And who are "THEY" in "...after the hype THEY created over the past 4
years.."?

> Exactly.

> From what I have heard so far, GP3 will be more or less what *I* expected
it to
> be, and I will be quite happy with it it seems.

> JoH

Yup, I was actually surprised by the lack of "official" hype. I mean we got
a press release a while back and about 5 official screenshots, nothing for 6
months, then a few ads and finally will be the release of the game, not much
hype by Hasbro at all at all at all.

by **Martin Chapma** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hi all
I have it on order only 20.99 and have no intentions of cancelling, If its
as good as GP2 with up to date graphics, that seems pretty good to me. I
never expected it to have the GPL - anything a real car does I do, just try
to catch me out- feel. I would just like a up to date distraction before GPL
completely takes over my Life.

Martin

by **Peter Ive** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Look forward to reading what you have to say. I am not prepared to pre-
judge this game until the full version appears (then I'll say it's crap,
lol). Even though I could buy it myself I would rather wait and see, or
read as the case may be. :)
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> >Yes I tried F1-2000 and I threw it away. Gp3 is a better product than
> >F1-2000.

> In what way?

I'll tell you why. Simply because it was called GP3 and was
written by the legendary Geoff Crammond.

But to hell with that... I am waiting for an answer to my other
question about if you used the warez of F1 2000. Interesting
that you conveniently didn't reply.

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by **DjFI** » Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Legend... hehe... not after this effort he isn't.. I say we need a new sim
master... looks like one could be around the corner too, the west brothers.

> > >Yes I tried F1-2000 and I threw it away. Gp3 is a better product than
> > >F1-2000.

> > In what way?

> I'll tell you why. Simply because it was called GP3 and was
> written by the legendary Geoff Crammond.

> But to hell with that... I am waiting for an answer to my other
> question about if you used the warez of F1 2000. Interesting
> that you conveniently didn't reply.

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