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GraDe

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by GraDe » Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I have no idea what you mean!

Although you are right to a point with GS I don't think you have tested it
out.
This does happen but for only 1 of 2 reason:

1. You ahve a reallty suckie connection, I only have a 33k modem and 90% of
races I do are fine.

2. You are not in the right arena. If you are from Europe, Go to Dusseldorf,
absolutly no lag!
If your from the US, Canaada or othe parts of American, teh Montreal server
is lag-free. The other servers do have lag problems but everyone is always
in montreal or Dusseldorf so wheres the problem?

GS has alotof work put into it, there is a community spirt for those who are
regulars, even teh UbiSoft crew are nice foljks to talk too, they take teh
time even to speak to you!

As for VROC.....
Perhaps your right, But the few times I tried it, there was only a maximum
of 3 people there at one time. And I was there on good times which shoudl be
busy but nope! I'd love to know what I could be doing wrong but that was all
I saw, I couldn't even get to experience what ti was like to race GPL
online.

Not meaning to start this thing again but everyday either you contrdict one
of my psots or I do it to you,a nd tis getting old, its always about GPL,
you like It, I don't. Its getting old.
--
GraDee
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Karting "3.65"
www.esatclear.ie/~karting
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"The dozens and dozens........."


> > Ubi Soft, have put massive work into Game Service and have been working
> for
> > months on GS3. And its one of the best and most secure servers I've
played
> > on, no lag either if you pick your nearest arena, but instead of people
> > flooding to use ones like this in exisance, people *** becuase more
> people
> > don't waste their time in developing a massive network and months of
> > programming work only to have a crowd of 10 at uthmost peak time!

> The reason why the Game Service is empty is because it trully stinks and
> it's one of the worst online *** service ever done.  The lag is
> incredible and faked in a way that makes people think the cars don't warp.
> Actually they don't, since most of the time the cars you see on the track
> are not at all where the real human should be.  Instead the poor
> input/output handling by the servers for the data  creates the "stop&go"
> effect that made everybody mad.  That is the reason why people don't care.
> When the cars are not synchro with others, instead of entering in a
> "prediction code" mode, the car will go from it's speed to zero in less
than
> a second, then catch up the time it lost in another second.  So it brakes
> and accelerates at speeds impossible to mankind, with the driver probably
> dead because of the extreme G's he suffered ;)

> > And any time I turn up, I am always there alone. No community or
anything
> > there, just nobody!

> Last time I was on VROC, I saw 75people in the arena.  I think you
obviously
> have no idea of what your talking about.  And on the N3 beta there was
> 300people at the same time Saturday night.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...

> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:00:00

  Sure he can only work on this during his spare time.  His 'real' job
is making track convertors for Papyrus sims a la Dave Noonan.... :)
dave henrie
  really tho...I'm sure the biggest challenge is converting all his
assembly code into something that 3d accelerators can chew on.

> I have a lot of respect for Geoff and I think Gp2 and gp1 were 2
> really great games but don't you think he's a little slow? Or he works
> on this at spare time and has another job?

> >GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade paper
> >MCV and HASBRO......

> >looks like a summer release now...

> >pez

Ron Ayto

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by Ron Ayto » Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Hi Bruce,
Maybe you havn't tried it with the right people then??  <G>
I also live in Australia and run in a on-line league based in the USA,
with drivers that actually do take care not to hit each other..
In fact the cleanliness of their driving takes precedence over their
finishing positions at the end of a race..
The drivers in the league i am based in have an average age of 45 and i
can honestly tell you that the driving and competition is squeeky
clean..
We are not hot lappers, and we don't let podium fever rule our driving,
so you would be more than welcome to drop me an email if you are
interested in having some good clean fun and competition on-line, with
a bunch of old farts that know how to have some fun..  :))
Like i said, hotlapping is a dirty word to us..
We run the F2 & F3 class of GPL cars mainly, as the racing is cleaner
and closer than the F1 cars on-line, plus the egos don't seem to rule
as much in F3/F2 as they do in F1..
I am with BigPond, i use a 56k modem, capped at 26400 and i have
excellent, warp free connections to our league's servers..
The only hassle is the occasional disco, but that is now improving as
the Christmas rush is over and done with..
The Founders Series is based on the F2 cars, plus there is also a F3
and F1 league..

The URL is:   http://gmss.homepage.com/

Cheers,
Ron Ayton
Melbourne, Australia

ymenar

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by ymenar » Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Uh lol... I think I did !!!  You obviously don't know my story with Ubisoft,
but for the sake of the newsgroup I won't talk about it again 8)

Yepo, my ADSL at 1.2mbits is a suckie connection.

The problems is that you probably don't see the problems.  Nothing against
you, but it's been spreaded wide about the poor quality of it.  It's not
really their fault (well it is), it's their first attempt at online ***,
F1RS had an extremely poor client/server architecture which MGPRS2 has it's
root from.  Speedbuster is better, but it doesn't require the same bandwith
at all.

That is true.  Some of them that I know are pretty good people online and in
real-life.  The people at the bottom are doing the job they have been told
:)

I can see how your opinion of VROC is that bad.  At what hours do you
connect ? There is normally 50+ people during weeknights around 5-7pm
Eastern Standard time, when both the people in Europe and North America are
online.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hardly earth-shattering numbers, Pat! :o)

This (the time difference) is one of the reasons that on-line play leaves me
cold.  When it's 10:30 AM up your way, it's snoring time here.  Couple that
with the irritation of having to put up with lag, dropouts, erratic drivers,
irrational human behaviour plus the complications of setting up connections
and the attraction drops to tooth-extraction level.

And before you ask, "yes", I have tried it.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00


writes:

If that's when the majority of people are online, then I guess so.  Although
10AM Central surprises me.  I'd expect there to be more people at around 8PM...
Out of curiosity, where are you located?

Eldred
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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for such a nice response and invitation, Ron.
I'll be in touch.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------



> > Hardly earth-shattering numbers, Pat! :o)

> > This (the time difference) is one of the reasons that on-line play
> leaves me
> > cold.  When it's 10:30 AM up your way, it's snoring time here.
> Couple that
> > with the irritation of having to put up with lag, dropouts, erratic
> drivers,
> > irrational human behaviour plus the complications of setting up
> connections
> > and the attraction drops to tooth-extraction level.

> > And before you ask, "yes", I have tried it.
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

> Hi Bruce,
> Maybe you havn't tried it with the right people then??  <G>
> I also live in Australia and run in a on-line league based in the USA,
> with drivers that actually do take care not to hit each other..
> In fact the cleanliness of their driving takes precedence over their
> finishing positions at the end of a race..
> The drivers in the league i am based in have an average age of 45 and i
> can honestly tell you that the driving and competition is squeeky
> clean..
> We are not hot lappers, and we don't let podium fever rule our driving,
> so you would be more than welcome to drop me an email if you are
> interested in having some good clean fun and competition on-line, with
> a bunch of old farts that know how to have some fun..  :))
> Like i said, hotlapping is a dirty word to us..
> We run the F2 & F3 class of GPL cars mainly, as the racing is cleaner
> and closer than the F1 cars on-line, plus the egos don't seem to rule
> as much in F3/F2 as they do in F1..
> I am with BigPond, i use a 56k modem, capped at 26400 and i have
> excellent, warp free connections to our league's servers..
> The only hassle is the occasional disco, but that is now improving as
> the Christmas rush is over and done with..
> The Founders Series is based on the F2 cars, plus there is also a F3
> and F1 league..

> The URL is:   http://gmss.homepage.com/

> Cheers,
> Ron Ayton
> Melbourne, Australia

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Gregor Vebl

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by Gregor Vebl » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00


>  Anybody remember the over-hyped Gp2 ?

Overhyped? That thing still resides on my HD alongside GPL, as it is
IMHO still the most realistic modern F1 sim (and yes, I did try both
F1RS and MGPRS).

Greetings,

Gregor

ymenar

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by ymenar » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00


As hype, I was talking about the pre-release marketing hype that Microprose
gave us back in 1995 and even 94.  It was pushed back numbers of time, had
previews in actually many places for the time.  I remember reading about it
on the SRO and some old French magazine that doesn't exist anymore, wow
memories <g>.  F1GP had still a big popularity so it was probably the most
awaited title -ever- for the community (GPL was awaited for only by us the
freaks who want realism and only realism).  Gp2 had the gameplay to reach
the mass market with great customisation.  Like Gp3, we had the promised
screenshot who never appeared.  We had all the missing stuff in Gp2 (rain,
radio, etc..) who was actually said to be in the final product, but was not.

Not Geoff's fault, he was all-by-himself to create the sim, but Microprose
has a piss-poor performance for any of their marketing build-up, and that's
a fact since years.  MechWarrior 2 is the best example ever I would say in
the history of *** (well with Prey and DN Forever but that's not by
them).

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Gregor Vebl

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by Gregor Vebl » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Ahh, I see your point. What can be learned from this discussion
discussion is then:

DO NOT LISTEN TO THE HYPE! (very hard to do)

as GP2 is still a very fine sim indeed, but not everything that was
promised was in it when it was released.

Greetings,

Gregor


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