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AMD-64 and...

Uwe Schürkam

AMD-64 and...

by Uwe Schürkam » Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:58:29

Hi folks, I was wondering wether and AMD-64 CPU would run 98SE? Don't
laugh, I'm still rather happy with 98se's *** performance and XP
isn't 64bit-ready either, right?

Thanks for your comments,

uwe

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Rinda Lynn Ferguso

AMD-64 and...

by Rinda Lynn Ferguso » Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:39:58

"AMD processors undergo extensive testing to ensure compatibility with
Microsoft Windows XP, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, Windows 2000, as
well as Linux and other PC operating systems. AMD works collaboratively with
Microsoft and other partners to achieve compatibility of AMD processors and
to expand the capability of software and hardware products leveraging AMD64
technology. "

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Rob

AMD-64 and...

by Rob » Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:07:25

I hoped the same thing of my AMD64 FX-53 system so I could still use my
game port Sidewinder FF wheel. Alas, it was not to be. While the
processor will run Windows 98SE, you'll probably hit motherboard and
chipset driver problems, as I did. I got it installed but the device
manager showed lots of problems with the hardware. When I went hunting
for motherboard/chipset drivers, very sadly, Win98 turned out not to be
supported very well.

I gave it up as a bad job and bought a different (USB) wheel, a
Thrustmaster Enzo Ferrari. I couldn't get used to its pedals, though -
they seemed very uncomfortable compared to the MS FF pedals. But
luckily I read something in R.A.S suggesting that you could combine the
pedals of one wheel with the steering from another. And now I am a very
happy user of MS FF pedals (going into the gameport) and the Enzo
Ferrari wheel (going into the USB). It seems that Windows XP can handle
the MS FF pedals going into the gameport - it's only the wheel itself
that causes problems.

WinXP Pro with this combination has been absolutely rock solid for me,
so my desire for Win98 has disappeared.

Uwe Schürkam

AMD-64 and...

by Uwe Schürkam » Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:41:43

Thanks for your replies. It really looks like I'm bound for XP Pro or
whatever unless GTR patch 1.2 fixes those damn online hangs. I have
the rockfire usb on order, also ZZ was kind enough to order some
250kOhm spec pots and send them to me so hopefully I'll be able to get
my "all-gameport" tsw2mod working with XP.

cheers,

uwe

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Joachim Trens

AMD-64 and...

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:24:47


> Thanks for your replies. It really looks like I'm bound for XP Pro or
> whatever unless GTR patch 1.2 fixes those damn online hangs. I have
> the rockfire usb on order, also ZZ was kind enough to order some
> 250kOhm spec pots and send them to me so hopefully I'll be able to get
> my "all-gameport" tsw2mod working with XP.

> cheers,

> uwe

I'm using W2k SP4 and am very happy with that. In a few tests I've read
before I made the move W2k is for games overall still faster than XP, so
that's why I use W2k.

If you want to go XP, check out the Media Edition (or whatever it's
called). It costs less than XP Pro but offers almost the same
functionality. It seems to have most of the goodies MS denied the Home
version (see latest c't) and according to that article has SP2
integrated in the original installation CD!

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Uwe Schürkam

AMD-64 and...

by Uwe Schürkam » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 05:17:41


> If you want to go XP, check out the Media Edition (or whatever it's
> called). It costs less than XP Pro but offers almost the same
> functionality. It seems to have most of the goodies MS denied the Home
> version (see latest c't) and according to that article has SP2
> integrated in the original installation CD!

Hi Achim,

I don't really want to, but I can get a legal home office xp pro
license from work which apparently has sp2 integrated, too (the first
thing that got kicked when I started that job was xp on my desktop, I
need to get work done! ;-).

The w2ksp4 bit sounds interesting though, I'll give it a go
first.

All the best & thanks for your comments,

uwe

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Damien Smit

AMD-64 and...

by Damien Smit » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:37:48

The only possible advantage Win2K SP4 has over XP SP2 is the lack of an
activation scheme.  XP is far snappier than Win2K (or even 98) once you've
tweaked it.....

Joachim Trens

AMD-64 and...

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:58:46

...

A common misconception among the users of XP :)

Achim

Joachim Trens

AMD-64 and...

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:04:37

...
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There are drawbacks as compared to XP as well. Some fancy stuff may require the
installation of a driver whereas XP has support built-in.

Overall, though, W2k is a lot easier to get to work well than XP ;)

Achim

Damien Smit

AMD-64 and...

by Damien Smit » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:29:00

Nope, proven in A-B comparisons on identical hardware.  Some people think
because old OSes are smaller that they must be faster but it's just not the
case any more.

The driver initialisation routines in particular in WinXP are dramatically
faster than in Win2K resulting in almost half the bootup time.  Win2K does
have a slightly smaller memory footprint but that's about it.  Even Windows
Server 2003 is faster than Win2K.  The only other possible way in which
Win2K could be perceived as being faster then WinXP is if 'system restore'
is enabled.  Disabling that is as simple as ticking a box if you prefer
speed over safety.

Joachim Trens

AMD-64 and...

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:13:20

...

Yep, a lot of incorrect information has been published about that topic.

Achim

Damien Smit

AMD-64 and...

by Damien Smit » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:21:06

They were my own comparisons on my own hardware.  Are you calling me a liar
or am I incompetant?  Feel free to point out in what ways Win2K is faster.

Mitch_

AMD-64 and...

by Mitch_ » Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:41:14

I agree 100% Damien.  Ive experimented on many machines and XP is far
superior for not only *** but just about everything else as well.

Mitch


> They were my own comparisons on my own hardware.  Are you calling me a
> liar or am I incompetant?  Feel free to point out in what ways Win2K is
> faster.

Joachim Trens

AMD-64 and...

by Joachim Trens » Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:06:23

...

I am not calling you anything, that's not my style, and not the purpose of my
postings.

Have a look at the games tests this review:

http://www.firingsquad.com/games/winxpperf/page3.asp

Achim

Jan Verschuere

AMD-64 and...

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:05:59

A DX7 performance comparison might slightly favour older OSs and 3DMark also
favours the most efficient graphics driver rather than the most efficient
OS.

My personal experience is that XP, even without performance modifications,
certainly isn't any slower than Win98se on this machine.

Jan.
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