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by **Uncle Feste** » Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:47:34

>>Once again, legal users inconvienced and treated as guilty right from the
>>start.

> i'm curious. when you get in your car and have to use a key to start it
> instead of just pushing a starter button, do you feel inconvenienced and
> persecuted? after all, the keylock ignition system is only there to prevent
> other people from using your car without having paid for it, isn't it?

Except warez people have no problems operating the software they traffic
in. Only those who bought legit copies with "anti-piracy" measures get
hardships. One perfect example was the recent release of SimCity 4.
Buggy as hell, it didn't take long for EA to issue a patch. To combat
piracy they used an online RTF program, but like 80+ percent of people
were only getting errors & their game wouldn't patch. The warez
community, OTOH, had an identical patch out within 48hrs. So the
pirates had no problems playing their patched versions while legit
customers got screwed.

Not supporting warez, just stating realities. :-(

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by **Larr** » Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:11:21

WTF are you talking about?

Larry

> > Once again, legal users inconvienced and treated as guilty right from
the
> > start.

> i'm curious. when you get in your car and have to use a key to start it
> instead of just pushing a starter button, do you feel inconvenienced and
> persecuted? after all, the keylock ignition system is only there to
prevent
> other people from using your car without having paid for it, isn't it?

by **blorc** » Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:21:36

if I have to explain the analogy to you then you are too stupid to
understand it. nevermind.

> Larry

> > > Once again, legal users inconvienced and treated as guilty right from
> the
> > > start.

> > i'm curious. when you get in your car and have to use a key to start it
> > instead of just pushing a starter button, do you feel inconvenienced and
> > persecuted? after all, the keylock ignition system is only there to
> prevent
> > other people from using your car without having paid for it, isn't it?

by **Jason Moy** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:10:51

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:47:34 -0500, Uncle Fester

>Except warez people have no problems operating the software they traffic
>in. Only those who bought legit copies with "anti-piracy" measures get
>hardships.

This is why the entire idea of copy protection is ***ing stupid. All
copy protection does (or ever has done) is inconvenience legitimate
users. Most software is still distributed illegally days in advance
of the product actually shipping to retail. And yet we're still
burdened with ridiculous CD checks and the like. Even in my Apple ][
days it was annoying as hell that in order to have a backup copy of
most software I had to find a BBS carrying pirated versions.

On a business level, I can't see how it makes sense at all. Why dump
extra development time and expense into something that doesn't
generate revenue.

Jason

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:25:36

>> Once again, legal users inconvienced and treated as guilty right from
>> the start.

> i'm curious. when you get in your car and have to use a key to start
> it instead of just pushing a starter button, do you feel
> inconvenienced and persecuted? after all, the keylock ignition system
> is only there to prevent other people from using your car without
> having paid for it, isn't it?

Keys are used to help keep cars in possesion of the LEGITIMATE OWNER who
PURCHASED the vehicle. COPY PROTECTION is used to keep LEGITIMATE OWNERS
from using something they PAID for as they see fit.
Again as has been shown over and over again. COPY PROTECTION DOES NOT
STOP PIRACY. The hacks are often released before the game hits retail
shelves. MS made a big deal of it's digital rights scheme but there were
registration #'s available the same day XP was released. Turbo Tax has
littered my system with extra files...files that were preventing some of my
OTHER NON INTUIT software from working.(uninstall TT, program works
again...you be the judge)
The only people who benefit from Copy Protection are the Copy Protection
companies...Show me how Sierra will recover the cost of Safe disk or
whatever scheme they use, the people who were going to steal Nr2k3 have
ALREADY DONE SO! I'd like to see hard numbers on how much $$ copy
protection adds to the cost of products I buy.

Copy Protection adds to the wear and tear on my system, delays the
loading of products, is not 100% compatible with PC hardware and is a real
pain when testing editing or mods that require many multiple reloadings of
a program. I have bought MANY racing sim...NONE of them require me to find
the cd and drop it in the drive and wait wait wait til the copy protection
decides I AM NOT A THIEF!!! If I can't bypass the cp with a nocd..I don't
keep that product.

dave henrie

by **Larr** » Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:09:03

LOL! That was fun :)

Larry

> > WTF are you talking about?

> if I have to explain the analogy to you then you are too stupid to
> understand it. nevermind.

> > Larry

> > > > Once again, legal users inconvienced and treated as guilty right
from
> > the
> > > > start.

> > > i'm curious. when you get in your car and have to use a key to start
it
> > > instead of just pushing a starter button, do you feel inconvenienced
and
> > > persecuted? after all, the keylock ignition system is only there to
> > prevent
> > > other people from using your car without having paid for it, isn't it?

by **Eldre** » Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:21:12

writes:

>> Once again, legal users inconvienced and treated as guilty right from the
>> start.

>i'm curious. when you get in your car and have to use a key to start it
>instead of just pushing a starter button, do you feel inconvenienced and
>persecuted? after all, the keylock ignition system is only there to prevent
>other people from using your car without having paid for it, isn't it?

A better analogy would have been if you had to flip to some random page in your
car owner's manual, and enter in a keyword before iut would start. Turning a
key and hitting a button are so similar as to not be a problem.

Eldred
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by **blorc** » Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:40:42

> A better analogy would have been if you had to flip to some random page in
your
> car owner's manual, and enter in a keyword before iut would start.
Turning a
> key and hitting a button are so similar as to not be a problem.

except the analogy breaks down when you start to introduce things that don't
already happen in the real world.

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:03:26

>> A better analogy would have been if you had to flip to some random
>> page in
> your
>> car owner's manual, and enter in a keyword before iut would start.
> Turning a
>> key and hitting a button are so similar as to not be a problem.

> except the analogy breaks down when you start to introduce things that
> don't already happen in the real world.

But that is what happens in the computer world. Lets stay with cars for
a while...if I went to Firestone for some new tires, would I expect to
drive away with a hidden gps receiver tracking my moves? Would I expect
the new tires to impact the very functioning of other components of the
car? Would I expect a special locking lugnut on the wheel that means ONLY
the Firestone dealer can change that tire at a later date? No..these
things don't happen in the real world, but in the digital domain they are
all together tooooooo common.
dave henrie

by **Eldre** » Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:15:44

>> A better analogy would have been if you had to flip to some random page in
>your
>> car owner's manual, and enter in a keyword before iut would start.
>Turning a
>> key and hitting a button are so similar as to not be a problem.

>except the analogy breaks down when you start to introduce things that don't
>already happen in the real world.

Thus making the point that I didn't agree with your analogy. As I inferred, I
don't consider having to turn a key instead of hitting a button to start my car
an inconvenience. However, having to find a CD just so that the game will RUN
can be a pain in the ass sometimes. Then you have to deal with possible damage
to the CD drove because of the copy-protection. N2002 would spin the drive so
fast I thought the damn thing would explode. None of my other games do that,
and that behavior has been linked with their secure-rom CP.
The 'warez' kiddies have no such issues. They just click on the icon and boom,
they're playing the game. Thus making the original point that CP is just a
<expletive> waste of time that only affects the legal purchasers...

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