rec.autos.simulators

>But did you know that this goes for *ANY* track as well? Not throwing any
>stones, just passing on some additional information, hehe.

>Anyways, I've tried Heartland Park, Laguna Seca, Pocono and others, that
>came from ICR2, N2 or N99. None of those tracks will appear in the race list
>if you run them. Apparently there's some kind of "kill filter" being used by
>either Won or Papy, so that if you use *ANY* track that did not come with
>N3, then nobody will be able to see it, or know it's there, unless you
>spread it by word of mouth, such as by setting up the IP game method, hehe.

>Basically, I think that sucks, but then I guess Papy/Won have their reasons.
>I just thought it was be mighty nice to run the old tracks from the old
>sims, with N3. But then, I guess they think that would kill their sales of
>the Truck patch, if they would allow people to bring over Flemington,
>Heartland Park, I-70, etc, over to N3 and use online. Sounding like it boils
>down to the mighty dollar ruling the world.

>I'm not against them selling their products and making money, but hey, what
>we already bought, we should still be able to use, even if it happens to
>work with a newer version of a game.

>As it stands, we have to wait for the Truck add-on, the Goody's Dash add-on,
>the ARCA add-on, the TPTCC (if the Pits sells them the rights, hehe;)
>add-on, the weekend warrior local short track saturday night add-on, and on
>and on.

>There's so many add-ons that Papy is having to make to keep us all happy,
>that it will be N8 by the time they get it all done probably, hehe. That's
>not saying that they will ever make any of those add-ons, but hey, we can
>dream. But if they don't, they should at least give us a little creative
>freedom to create our own add-ons. I guess if quake2 players are allowed to
>do it, with the blessings of ID Software Inc even, then maybe Papy will let
>us do it.  ;o)

>Destin

>P.S. If Papy really wanted to make some big $$$, all they gotta do is put
>out a "Tracks Add-On" for N3, and even N2/N99 users, that features dozens,
>hopefully 100 or more, of various real life tracks from around the country,
>and even the world. Tracks like Lanier here in Georgia, used by Hooters and
>Dash, Laguna Seca for N2/N99/N3, maybe even a couple F1 tracks for the road
>course lovers like me, lol. But anyways, if they just released a tracks
>add-on, that all the cdrom had was only tracks, I'd be happy to spend as
>much as $25 or so for an add-on like that, rather than having to surf the
>web and try to figure out which of the 5 different home-brewed (track name
>here) looked the best and was most realistic looking, and realistic driving.

>If you read that Papy, take my idea and run with it!! Run hard and fast, get
>it done, i'll buy it!! :o)

>> The point that I see is that Papy made the track and now pretty
>> much everyone has it.

>> Instead of being grateful that Papy even made the track and
>> effectively let it get distributed (you can not tell me that Papy
>> did not know it would happen when they put out the demo at
>> Daytona) people instead are mad at Papy for not allowing it
>> to be run openly on Won.net.

>> Your comments are a perfect example, you see the whole Daytona
>> thing as Papy shitting on the fans, while I see it as the fact that
>> we now have the ability to play Daytona which we did not have
>> before.  This is not even considering the fact that NONE of us
>> paid for it.  (even if you bought the program that had the demo,
>> you paid for the demo, not the ability to race Daytona on the
>> full N3 game)

>> We have two different opinions, and that is all they are.. opinions.

>> Lets leave it at that

>> > Sure they did, but that's beside the point.  The point is, Papy is
>> clamping
>> > down and in the process is effectively going to give themselves a
>> razorblade
>> >***.  You don't shite on your fans in the name of self-righteousness,
>> > unless of course you're a pro-wrestler but I'm going afield here.  I
>say,
>> > let's hope future sims are as easily edited as Rally Championship, which
>> > basically has everything out and exposed in terms of graphics and
>physics.

>> > I'm PRAYING World Sports Car will be as wonderfully detailed and
>realistic
>> > as it looks to be, while still leaving some ground for the ***
>> > enthusiast to tread upon.

>> > If all else fails, we'll force Dave Noonan to keep creating tracks for
>GPL
>> > until there are no tracks left to build! ::)

>> > --

>> > Erik Frechette
>> > The Pits Grand Prix Legends
>> > www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html
>> > The Pits Rally Championship
>> > www.theuspits.com/fbody/rallychamp/rallychamp.html


>> > > The day it is released

>> > > btw, I do not think it will be $50, probably $30

>> > > You also act like someone else made the Daytona track and Papy
>> > > just wants to kill the use of it.  Papy made it themselves

>> > > > Is everybody really going to go out and spend $50 for eight new
>tracks
>> > and
>> > > a
>> > > > patch that will supposedly cut out any use of the leaked Daytona
>> track?
>> > > > Good God man, let's not REWARD Papy further for releasing NASCAR2.3
>by
>> > > > buying NASCAR2.35.....

>> > > > Erik's views are not necessarily the views of The Pits, his parents
>or
>> > any
>> > > > of his friends.

>> > > > --

>> > > > Erik Frechette
>> > > > The Pits Grand Prix Legends
>> > > > www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html
>> > > > The Pits Rally Championship
>> > > > www.theuspits.com/fbody/rallychamp/rallychamp.html


>> > > > > Does anyone know if a release date has been announced for the N3
>> Truck
>> > > > Pack.

> Speaking of WON.net and they/Papy coalition not allowing Daytona to be
> openly played/displayed on the game servers with the patch......

> But did you know that this goes for *ANY* track as well? Not throwing any
> stones, just passing on some additional information, hehe.

> Anyways, I've tried Heartland Park, Laguna Seca, Pocono and others, that
> came from ICR2, N2 or N99. None of those tracks will appear in the race list
> if you run them. Apparently there's some kind of "kill filter" being used by
> either Won or Papy, so that if you use *ANY* track that did not come with
> N3, then nobody will be able to see it, or know it's there, unless you
> spread it by word of mouth, such as by setting up the IP game method, hehe.

> Basically, I think that sucks, but then I guess Papy/Won have their reasons.
> I just thought it was be mighty nice to run the old tracks from the old
> sims, with N3. But then, I guess they think that would kill their sales of
> the Truck patch, if they would allow people to bring over Flemington,
> Heartland Park, I-70, etc, over to N3 and use online. Sounding like it boils
> down to the mighty dollar ruling the world.

> I'm not against them selling their products and making money, but hey, what
> we already bought, we should still be able to use, even if it happens to
> work with a newer version of a game.

> As it stands, we have to wait for the Truck add-on, the Goody's Dash add-on,
> the ARCA add-on, the TPTCC (if the Pits sells them the rights, hehe;)
> add-on, the weekend warrior local short track saturday night add-on, and on
> and on.

> There's so many add-ons that Papy is having to make to keep us all happy,
> that it will be N8 by the time they get it all done probably, hehe. That's
> not saying that they will ever make any of those add-ons, but hey, we can
> dream. But if they don't, they should at least give us a little creative
> freedom to create our own add-ons. I guess if quake2 players are allowed to
> do it, with the blessings of ID Software Inc even, then maybe Papy will let
> us do it.  ;o)

> Destin

> P.S. If Papy really wanted to make some big $$$, all they gotta do is put
> out a "Tracks Add-On" for N3, and even N2/N99 users, that features dozens,
> hopefully 100 or more, of various real life tracks from around the country,
> and even the world. Tracks like Lanier here in Georgia, used by Hooters and
> Dash, Laguna Seca for N2/N99/N3, maybe even a couple F1 tracks for the road
> course lovers like me, lol. But anyways, if they just released a tracks
> add-on, that all the cdrom had was only tracks, I'd be happy to spend as
> much as $25 or so for an add-on like that, rather than having to surf the
> web and try to figure out which of the 5 different home-brewed (track name
> here) looked the best and was most realistic looking, and realistic driving.

> If you read that Papy, take my idea and run with it!! Run hard and fast, get
> it done, i'll buy it!! :o)

> > The point that I see is that Papy made the track and now pretty
> > much everyone has it.

> > Instead of being grateful that Papy even made the track and
> > effectively let it get distributed (you can not tell me that Papy
> > did not know it would happen when they put out the demo at
> > Daytona) people instead are mad at Papy for not allowing it
> > to be run openly on Won.net.

> > Your comments are a perfect example, you see the whole Daytona
> > thing as Papy shitting on the fans, while I see it as the fact that
> > we now have the ability to play Daytona which we did not have
> > before.  This is not even considering the fact that NONE of us
> > paid for it.  (even if you bought the program that had the demo,
> > you paid for the demo, not the ability to race Daytona on the
> > full N3 game)

> > We have two different opinions, and that is all they are.. opinions.

> > Lets leave it at that

> > > Sure they did, but that's beside the point.  The point is, Papy is
> > clamping
> > > down and in the process is effectively going to give themselves a
> > razorblade
> > >***.  You don't shite on your fans in the name of self-righteousness,
> > > unless of course you're a pro-wrestler but I'm going afield here.  I
> say,
> > > let's hope future sims are as easily edited as Rally Championship, which
> > > basically has everything out and exposed in terms of graphics and
> physics.

> > > I'm PRAYING World Sports Car will be as wonderfully detailed and
> realistic
> > > as it looks to be, while still leaving some ground for the ***
> > > enthusiast to tread upon.

> > > If all else fails, we'll force Dave Noonan to keep creating tracks for
> GPL
> > > until there are no tracks left to build! ::)

> > > --

> > > Erik Frechette
> > > The Pits Grand Prix Legends
> > > www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html
> > > The Pits Rally Championship
> > > www.theuspits.com/fbody/rallychamp/rallychamp.html


> > > > The day it is released

> > > > btw, I do not think it will be $50, probably $30

> > > > You also act like someone else made the Daytona track and Papy
> > > > just wants to kill the use of it.  Papy made it themselves

> > > > > Is everybody really going to go out and spend $50 for eight new
> tracks
> > > and
> > > > a
> > > > > patch that will supposedly cut out any use of the leaked Daytona
> > track?
> > > > > Good God man, let's not REWARD Papy further for releasing NASCAR2.3
> by
> > > > > buying NASCAR2.35.....

> > > > > Erik's views are not necessarily the views of The Pits, his parents
> or
> > > any
> > > > > of his friends.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Erik Frechette
> > > > > The Pits Grand Prix Legends
> > > > > www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html
> > > > > The Pits Rally Championship
> > > > > www.theuspits.com/fbody/rallychamp/rallychamp.html


> > > > > > Does anyone know if a release date has been announced for the N3
> > Truck
> > > > > Pack.

> You can't just pick tracks and create an add-on track.  It's a business,
> remember.  Carefully creating the tracks takes a very long time of
> production.  And since Papyrus has probably a limited amouth of artist
that
> can work on this (and work at the same time for other products), you can't
> do that.

> Especially since you need to license those tracks, which cost money and
> takes alot of time.  The rest of your message had some sense, still ;)

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.WeRace.net
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> Funny that Micro Prose or any of the hacked tracks in GP2 were never Lic or > no one got sued?

> > Its called a license, and if you do not have it, you can not offer
> > it.  Sure.. let Papy use your thoughts and put out a patch that has
> > Daytona so they can get sued.

> > > 4- A patch that excludes Daytona (doubtful) would be Papy shitting
> on
> > > us to appease DIS.

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