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Stephen Ferguso

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by Stephen Ferguso » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00



> Scurlock) thus spoke:



> >>Hey guys,

> >>I've made up my mind and am gonna give PC race games a real shot for
> >>the first time in my life.  Until now, my PC racing experience has
> >>consisted of downloaded demos controlled with a joystick and/or
> >>keyboard.

> >>I need to decide on some hardware and some games.

> > John, trust me, after you go through a few other driving
> >games you will want to try gpl, so if you see it for sale, pick it
> >up. It will be cheap, and it's getting a bit scarce. The online
> >racing against real people that has developed around gpl is THE most
> >fun thing happening in sim racing today.

And I say forget GPL.  I love GPL, but part of it is the personal attraction
to the cars of the 1967 era, partly the fascination with a good physics
model, as I am an engineer, and partly the dedication required to master
(and I mean master) these machines.  It doesn't sound like he wants to
invest that kind of time, and I find now I don't have the time to keep up my
skills.

I recommend Need for Speed: Porsche.  It has a decent car "feel" and the
online racing may surprise people and be just as fun, and just as furious as
in GPL.

Stephen

Steven Crook-Dawkin

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by Steven Crook-Dawkin » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

John

I came to this in the same way you are. I didn't invest in a wheel
till I'd tried out a few titles - so I've concentrated on the titles below.
With steering wheels, I can only report that my Logitech is great
but owners of the Microsoft sidewinder appear to feel the same about
their wheels. There is an "ACT-LAbs" (visit "www.act-labs.com")
wheel which is supposed to be a class above.

I've found the racing section of Gamesdomain to be really good -
http://www.gamesdomain.co.uk/gdreview/index.html

The Games-
I have a system with less horsepower than yours (P2-350 ) and the
same video card.   I've found that the Porsche Unleashed (NFS-PU)
game is definately worth the money and works great on my system.
Sports Car GT (SCGT) is also  worth the cash and provides a racing
series angle that NFS-PU lacks.

SCGT is on a budget label now ("EA Classics") so should be in the
"pocket money" zone. Other excellent budget titles include Colin
McRae Rally (or "CMR") (nb. CMR 2 out soon) and Grand Prix
Legends - GPL .

For what its worth, I'd say don't discount GPL, I've not had it
long and I'm rubbish at it, but its the quality of the work that
is so impressive. For 10 ($15?) on the "Sierra Originals" label
its probably one of the most immersive racing titles.
One of the  problems with some of the more mainstream work
(especially the earlier NFS titles, in my opinion) is that racing
games can get very boring very quickly- i.e. once you've done
all the tracks and all the cars what more is
there? Well NFS-PU and SCGT combat this by introducing
career modes that get you involved in improving your driving and
moving upwards. GPL addresses it through realism of the driving
itself.

There are two other games I'd say are worth mentioning,
Rally Championship 2000 (RC2000)  is another high quality
simulator, but Colin McRae rally is more accessible.

Finally, though its not a car simulator as such, there is a
game called "ReVolt" which simulates radio controlled cars
and its a serious amount of fun. Might be difficult to find, but
it is a wonderfully alternative view on PC racing - and its
done extremely well - not half as cheesy as it sounds.

GOod luck.


> Hey guys,

> I've made up my mind and am gonna give PC race games a real shot for the
> first time in my life.  Until now, my PC racing experience has consisted
> of downloaded demos controlled with a joystick and/or keyboard.

> I need to decide on some hardware and some games.  As far as hardware is
> concerned, my first choice is the MS Sidewinder FF USB wheel.  I checked
> out the (red) Logitech Wingman FF wheel but the pedals were a huge turn-off.
> Before I actually buy a wheel, I wanted to find out if either of these
> companies (Microsoft or Logitech) are going to be releasing new wheels in
> the near future and would they be worth waiting for?

> As far as games are concerned, I guess I should explain where I'm coming
> from.  I'm almost afraid to admit this here but I'm not a "real-life"
> race fan at all.  I just want to try something new and have fun doing it.
> After a couple of weeks lurking here, I can safely say that games like GPL
> and F12000 are probably not for me - at least not at this stage.  I've tried
> the Porsche Unleashed demo and really dug that one.  Also Midtown Madness but
> to a lesser extent.  Are there any other games along these lines that I should
> check out?

> Thanks,

> John

> P.S. My relevant system specs:

> P3-750
> 128MB RAM
> Voodoo3-2000

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Ian

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by Ian » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Not so sure about the CPU hit with the MSFF USB wheel, it may be better (or
worse) than the standard. If you use a reasonably fast machine the FF makes
very little difference to performance in most games
I couldn't get used to the Logi pedals and I did try them ;)

A few game suggestions, TOCA 2 and Rally Masters are easy to drive and fun.
Viper Racing is quite easy when used in Arcade mode.
With all the help options F1 2000 can be very easy to drive and as you
improve you can turn some of them off.
I'd like to be able to recommend GPL but it has very little options to make
it easy for the beginner, though I would recomend you giving the demo a try
out.

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> > Hey guys,
> > I need to decide on some hardware and some games.  As far as hardware is
> > concerned, my first choice is the MS Sidewinder FF USB wheel.  I checked

> That wheel has a fairly high CPU hit for FF effects (like 1.5million per),
> while
> the Logitech FF wheel (which I own) uses only 50k per event.

> > out the (red) Logitech Wingman FF wheel but the pedals were a huge
> turn-off.

> They initially turned me off. I waited many months looking for
alternatives.
> In the end I bought one and it has been awesome. The bad rap the pedals
> get by some is bogus IMHO. You have to actually try them :-)

> > Before I actually buy a wheel, I wanted to find out if either of these
> > companies (Microsoft or Logitech) are going to be releasing new wheels
in
> > the near future and would they be worth waiting for?

> You might want to check the ACTLabs FF wheel. that one gets as
> much praise as the logitech FF wheel. Also the new Guillemot wheel
> (not a TM wheel I believe) might be worth checking out. I have no idea
> how much CPU it uses per event, but it gets osme praise here too.
> If you want something somewhat realistic and still very easy to drive,
> I would suggest Nascar3. It is *VERY* easy to drive those cars compared
> to the openwheel stuff. Plus it has superb online play. Nascar3 is really
> great. I am more of an openwheel person than a stockcar person but
> I still enjoy Nascar3 very much.

> --



daxe

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by daxe » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I'll second this one, as well.  I got mine rececntly for about 15$ and it is
very enjoyable.  You can even get an in-car view, though it is likely to
give you headache in about 5 minutes.  It also comes with a track editor and
there are tons of great 3rd party tracks available.

~daxe

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John Koza

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by John Koza » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi guys,

Thanks for the quick and helpful responses!  I'm definitely going to get
NFS/PU based on your recommendations and reviews I have read.  SCGT will
probably be on my shopping list as well.  While I appreciate everyone's
input, I really appreciate the honesty of some posters by letting me know
what to expect from the *** sims.

I'm going to stay away from the "enthusiast" sims for the time being.  
Here's how I see it:  I'm a big flight-sim fan but I can't see recommending
a complex jet sim to an absolute newbie who is barely familiar with real-world
military aviation and expect him to have a good time.  That said, I do plan
on downloading as many demos as I can find to see if these *** driving
sims are something I could learn to enjoy.

I'm still undecided about a wheel.   I'm looking for feel, quality, and
convenience (mounting system and cables).  The Act-Labs gear sounds great
but I'm hesitant about buying something without being able to check it out
first-hand.  Same with the Guillemot.  I'm going to have to go down to CompUSA
and check out the Logitech and Microsoft FF wheel/pedal setups again.  I
still don't like the Logitech pedals *at all*.  I wonder if I can use my CH
Pro Pedals instead?

One thing that concerns me about the MS wheel is the reported high CPU
utilization.  Is this an "I-FORCE vs DirectX" issue?  Or a "gameport vs USB"
issue?  I was looking around for more info after reading Greg's post but
couldn't find anthing.

Thanks again,

John

Kevin Gavit

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by Kevin Gavit » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Well yeah, but R/C racing is the one form of motorsport where the incar view
is UNrealistic!

Steven Crook-Dawkin

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by Steven Crook-Dawkin » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

(disclaimer - I don't really know about this stuff in detail)

I get the impression that the gameport vs USB is the primary
distinction. However, the Logitech connects either to a
USB port or a serial port. I originally tried the serial port
and it was so troublesome I upgraded from Win 95 to
Win 98 to make  use of the USB properly.

After that initial drama  my USB Logitech runs fine with no
CPU utilisation problems on my P 2- 350.

--
Steven Crook-Dawkins

Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00


writes:


>> Finally, though its not a car simulator as such, there is a
>> game called "ReVolt" which simulates radio controlled cars
>> and its a serious amount of fun. Might be difficult to find, but
>> it is a wonderfully alternative view on PC racing - and its
>> done extremely well - not half as cheesy as it sounds.

>I'll second this one, as well.  I got mine rececntly for about 15$ and it is
>very enjoyable.  You can even get an in-car view, though it is likely to
>give you headache in about 5 minutes.  It also comes with a track editor and
>there are tons of great 3rd party tracks available.

>~daxe

ReVolt is a decent program?  I've seen it for under $20 at Best Buy...  Maybe
I'll check it out.
Now watch, now that I *want* it, I won't be able to FIND it...<g>

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00



>Dirt Track Racing. Don't let the "hickness" of this fool you.  I don't
>follow dirt track racing in read life, but this game is just plain
>FUN. Best of all it is only $20, and well worth it.

$14.99 at Best Buy(southfield MI) last Saturday.

Eldred
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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> ReVolt is a decent program?  I've seen it for under $20 at Best Buy...  Maybe
> I'll check it out.
> Now watch, now that I *want* it, I won't be able to FIND it...<g>

Yep.  ReVolt is a real hoot for relaxation!  They still have it in the
Best Buy down here by me.  (This is *good* guys, we've got him
sidetracked now!)<g>

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daxe

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by daxe » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00


This is not to say that I have not had a street-level view of a few curbs in
my day  (snicker)

~daxe

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nix

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by nix » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Yes, I forgot about ReVolt.  It's a great game.  Never could get the
hang of it with a wheel, though, I always use the PSX pad I have run
through that doohickey that plugs into the USB.

Also another vote for Colin McRae.  Great game, ok graphics.  Another
game that I didn't like with the wheel, but I did like with the PSX
pad.

I was going to mention Official F1 in my earlier post, but didn't want
to come out of the closet.  Now that someone has, I can agree that
it's a good game but not really a sim.  Johnny Herbert is another game
in that style, and it looks pretty good.




>> ReVolt is a decent program?  I've seen it for under $20 at Best Buy...  Maybe
>> I'll check it out.
>> Now watch, now that I *want* it, I won't be able to FIND it...<g>

>Yep.  ReVolt is a real hoot for relaxation!  They still have it in the
>Best Buy down here by me.  (This is *good* guys, we've got him
>sidetracked now!)<g>

nix

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by nix » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I said he was doing pretty good, but he still runs into stuff.  We do
a lot of network racing with the AI vs. us.  Of course, I was the one
who T-boned Nick Heidfeld who was sitting (realistically) in the
middle of the second chicane at Imola.  The kid cut the chicane and
got a 10 sec stop and go.





>> I'll third the SCGT and N3.  I also believe F12K is pretty good for a
>> newbie, my 11 yr old son just started it and he is doing very well
>> (without helps, mind you!).  I also want to cast a vote for TOCA2,

>All of the whiners that couldn't deal with the traffic should be
>embarrased at this point :-)

Greg Cisk

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by Greg Cisk » Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:00:00


It is inevetable to run into stuff. Some people around here make
it sound like the AI is just so horrid. Ha.

But he is somehow dealing with it right? That was my point. Some of
these losers around here just give up. Your kid will be a superstar
after a while :-)

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nix

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by nix » Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:00:00





>> I said he was doing pretty good, but he still runs into stuff.  We do

>It is inevetable to run into stuff. Some people around here make
>it sound like the AI is just so horrid. Ha.

>> a lot of network racing with the AI vs. us.  Of course, I was the one
>> who T-boned Nick Heidfeld who was sitting (realistically) in the
>> middle of the second chicane at Imola.  The kid cut the chicane and
>> got a 10 sec stop and go.

>But he is somehow dealing with it right? That was my point. Some of
>these losers around here just give up. Your kid will be a superstar
>after a while :-)

Yeah, he's dealing with it.  We race with 6 AI without any problems
(except on our end).  He wasn't even interested in racing until about
6 weeks ago, started immediately on MGPRS (albeit with traction
control), and obliterated my lap time in Canada within a week.  AND
all of this using the horrid Interact V3 steering wheel he dug out of
the closet.  Of course, being a kid, he has now gone back to playing
Starsiege Tribes, so we'll have to put that pending F3000 contract on
hold for a while.....  :-)

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