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OT: My 9-point plan to F1

Robert

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Robert » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 05:55:07

Hi Guys,

I have been seeing F1 since the 70' when Emmo got his first title. Since
then, there were years were a team had clearly dominated the field the way
Ferrari is doing today. The biggest difference then was that, F1 was not
tied to manufacturers the way they are today. There is just a lot of
interests on the table. But, some stuff can be done to even the things.

1. Enforce teams with more than one car, and they can have as many as they
want, to have totally different sponsors, two cars, two sponsors, one for
each. Lets see the team explain to "Marlboro", why the other car, let's say
"West", has been given the order to win the race, exchanging positions
(suppose "Marlboro was first). They can easily lose a sponsor if they start
using Team Orders.

2. Manual gear, lets make these guys work a little bit more. It is harder to
do curves with just one hand on the wheel and this is also another point of
failure.

3. Points to more than the top 6 drivers. This way, even if it is going to
cost a lap, if you can fix a car, do it, you can gain points to the
championship. Lets say, top 10.

4. No more carbon brakes, lets go back to steel. It is going to be less
efficient and they will need to break earlier. Overtake on curves is again
possible. Maybe standard brakes, so FIA can control its efficiency.

5. I read somewhere else a good one. Lets rule that all bodywork be brought
in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would reduce downforce a lot.

6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race a spare
one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time of course.

7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it is possible to
have it last longer while keeping a good show.

8. Why the small teams can't buy chassis from the big ones? They will spent
less money and will have a good car.

9. As soon a race starts, no more electronics communications between the car
and the box, only allow radio communication with the driver. If the car is
not good, let the driver figure it out, and try to keep it running. The team
can't try to fix it remotely as today.

I think this is a better 9-point plan. What do you think?

Regards,

Roberto
Brazil

Ayde

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Ayde » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:18:48

Do you take sugar in coffee..?

AD

Goy Larse

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Goy Larse » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:41:09


> Hi Guys,

Well, it's a whole lot better than what the FIA came up with, that's for
sure, if you ever want to challenge old Max you can count on my support
:-)

Beers and cheers
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Lee Whittle

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Lee Whittle » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:32:29

I like them all. We have to get some real passing back into F1. Not the
parade that it has sadly become.

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> Do you take sugar in coffee..?

> AD


> > Hi Guys,

> > I have been seeing F1 since the 70' when Emmo got his first title. Since
> > then, there were years were a team had clearly dominated the field the
way
> > Ferrari is doing today. The biggest difference then was that, F1 was not
> > tied to manufacturers the way they are today. There is just a lot of
> > interests on the table. But, some stuff can be done to even the things.

> > 1. Enforce teams with more than one car, and they can have as many as
they
> > want, to have totally different sponsors, two cars, two sponsors, one
for
> > each. Lets see the team explain to "Marlboro", why the other car, let's
> say
> > "West", has been given the order to win the race, exchanging positions
> > (suppose "Marlboro was first). They can easily lose a sponsor if they
> start
> > using Team Orders.

> > 2. Manual gear, lets make these guys work a little bit more. It is
harder
> to
> > do curves with just one hand on the wheel and this is also another point
> of
> > failure.

> > 3. Points to more than the top 6 drivers. This way, even if it is going
to
> > cost a lap, if you can fix a car, do it, you can gain points to the
> > championship. Lets say, top 10.

> > 4. No more carbon brakes, lets go back to steel. It is going to be less
> > efficient and they will need to break earlier. Overtake on curves is
again
> > possible. Maybe standard brakes, so FIA can control its efficiency.

> > 5. I read somewhere else a good one. Lets rule that all bodywork be
> brought
> > in-board of the inside edge of the tyres. That would reduce downforce a
> lot.

> > 6. The qualification time is for the car/driver. If they wanna race a
> spare
> > one, start last or train with both, each one with it's own time of
course.

> > 7. The engine rule, one per GP is a good one, don't think it is possible
> to
> > have it last longer while keeping a good show.

> > 8. Why the small teams can't buy chassis from the big ones? They will
> spent
> > less money and will have a good car.

> > 9. As soon a race starts, no more electronics communications between the
> car
> > and the box, only allow radio communication with the driver. If the car
is
> > not good, let the driver figure it out, and try to keep it running. The
> team
> > can't try to fix it remotely as today.

> > I think this is a better 9-point plan. What do you think?

> > Regards,

> > Roberto
> > Brazil

Dave Henri

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Dave Henri » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:25:28


      He pretty much described CART.  go figure.
dave henrie

David Corles

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by David Corles » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:54:52




> > I like them all. We have to get some real passing back into F1. Not the
> > parade that it has sadly become.

>       He pretty much described CART.  go figure.
> dave henrie

Isn't formula one supposed to be about technically superior equipment (hence
the name formula one)? I understand that people want a good show, but the
only reason the FIA should step in is if the cars become unreasonably
unsafe. I think people have very short memories, can't they remember all the
passing and side by side racing that occurred at Germany? There was a fair
amount at Melbourne to if I remember correctly. I think what people want is
to stop the *** of Ferrari, but a single engine/car rule doesn't
really make much difference (e.g. Australian touring cars are very similar,
but still dominated by one teams), and adding weight to a winning driver is
just ridiculous, and against the spirit of fair competition.

David Corless

Nic

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Nic » Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:33:36

Formula One is a formula for the most technically advanced cars on the
planet. It's a championship for engineers, as well as drivers. All
these suggestions kinda go against that idea completely. Nobody says
that because Arsenal are beating anything that moves in the English
Premiership, that we should change the rules, so why F1? I rememeber
at Austria, Villeneuve passsed (IIRC) 11 cars for position - that
doesn't include first lap passes or pitlane passes. Some of the most
exciting racing has been from the Sauber boys (until they dropped
Massa), even at places like Imola (where ITV said what a boring race
it was). I suggest you get the Sky F1 Digital thing and watch all the
quality racing going on down in the midfield. Then you will realise
that F1 is actually very exciting to watch, unless you just look at P1
all the time.

Just my $0.02

Tony Van Caute

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Tony Van Caute » Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:53:37

good thing, also trying to get more but smaller sponsors is better than
one big one, I guess

automatic gearboxes (and semi's also) are for wussies anyway - my
opinion

give EVERYBODY points .. (NASCAR style) .. why not rewarding your
position ? in stead of rewarding the fact you are not lapped

good idea, the technology will advance anyway, so

any way to reduce downforce is a good idea

course.

dont understand this one

hmm, engines DO break, so if you break one in practice, end of GP ? not
a good idea I guess

Even better idea is to have an independant company, sell chassis .. like
in Indy

VERY good idea

other good ideas (?) :

- allowing more than 2 car per team
- more qualifying
- weight handicap for winning points (hehe)
- any idea to make tracks more 'overtaking' power
- pacecars when 'piece of paper is on the road and needs to be removed'
.. meaning: faster than now is the case, using the pacecar (Indycar
stylee)
- allowing larger fueltanks (any size they need to get it 300 km), in
fact, anything to get rid of those boring pitstops, and the even boring
'passing during pitstop', which seems to be the only way to pass a car
these days

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Dave Henri

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Dave Henri » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:21:39

"Tony Van Cauter"
(snip)

   It's to prevent Schumacher from running his primary car in the recon
laps, then jumping into the T-car then jumping back into the primary, then
back to the T-car until he's decided which one feels better.  If the primary
fails in warmup, you take out the T-car, BUT you start in the back.

   Nascar has been running the 1 engine rule for most of this season.  If
your engine fails you swap it out, but then you start in the back.  At least
twice this year in Nascar races, teams have replaced engines after
practice/qualifying because they felt the engine was either slow or soon to
fail.  The drivers started at the back of the pack and won the race.   (that
sounds like only two did it all year, more have but those two drove from the
back to win)
(snip)
dave henrie

Nic

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Nic » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:04:47


>    It's to prevent Schumacher from running his primary car in the recon
> laps, then jumping into the T-car then jumping back into the primary, then
> back to the T-car until he's decided which one feels better.  If the primary
> fails in warmup, you take out the T-car, BUT you start in the back.

I think you will find that they are not allowed to use the T-car until
warmup, so whoever the T-car is set up for has to take it out for some
recon to check all the systems are working correctly. Otherwise if
there is a pileup at the start, they would all jump in T-cars which
didn't actually work :-) He is not checking to see if the T-car is
better - remember that all his setup work has been carried out on his
race car, that's 2 hours on Friday and 1.5 hours on Saturday (the
Saturday session is usually more useful for qualifying).

Every single team on the grid does this, not just Ferrari.

There is a suggestion that a team's third driver could take the T-car
out during Friday/Saturday practice in seasons to come, so with 12
teams there would be 36 cars on track instead of 24. The actual
mechanics of this rule have yet to be clarified - what happens if a
third driver is faster than one of the regular drivers? Do they take
the 2nd drive for the weekend?

But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you
don't know how it all works.

Just my $0.02, Nick.

Goy Larse

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Goy Larse » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:13:20


> But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you
> don't know how it all works.

Actually, I have a feeling you're the one jumping to conclusions here
:-), Dave probably used MS's name to illustrate a point

Beers and cheers
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Dave Henri

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Dave Henri » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:37:56



> > But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you
> > don't know how it all works.

> Actually, I have a feeling you're the one jumping to conclusions here
> :-), Dave probably used MS's name to illustrate a point

  Yes I wasn't condeming Schu personally, but at least for our American
broadcasts, the announcers have spoken like he was the only guy who
regularly does this.  And, I had thought, that on at least one occaision
this year he did start & race with the t-car when the primary was still
fully functional.
dave henrie
Goy Larse

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Goy Larse » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:28:05





> > > But anyway, don't jump to 'MS is cheating again' conclusions if you
> > > don't know how it all works.

> > Actually, I have a feeling you're the one jumping to conclusions here
> > :-), Dave probably used MS's name to illustrate a point

>   Yes I wasn't condeming Schu personally, but at least for our American
> broadcasts, the announcers have spoken like he was the only guy who
> regularly does this.  And, I had thought, that on at least one occaision
> this year he did start & race with the t-car when the primary was still
> fully functional.
> dave henrie

Well, he does have the luxury of choosing between 2 cars at just about
every race as the T-car is always set up for him, there were a couple of
race where his CC was in the bag and RB's 2nd place was still up in the
air where the T-car was se up for RB

If my info is correct, for the other teams it's usually every other race
or something like that, or they change it overnight to be the T-car for
whoever is fastest in Qual, stuff like that

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Ian

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Ian » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:58:12

R Barrichello has had the T Car for all the races since France IIRC. He has
been the one car hopping ;)
J Villeneuve always has the T Car set up for him, it's in his contract the
commentary team say.

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Goy Larse

OT: My 9-point plan to F1

by Goy Larse » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:59:05


> R Barrichello has had the T Car for all the races since France IIRC. He has
> been the one car hopping ;)
> J Villeneuve always has the T Car set up for him, it's in his contract the
> commentary team say.

Sounds about right, now that you mention it I seem to remember something
like that about JV, and since he's right there at the pointy end of the
field I can understand why BAR and Olivier Panis agrees to this....

Beers and cheers
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