rec.autos.simulators

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McWhom
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: Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the
: game.

Larry

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McWhom
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: After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but I'll
let
: it pass :)
:
: Larry
:


: > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the
: > game.
:
:

I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing.  Thank
goodness.

I saw what you were doing long before we got there.  A HALF STRAIGHT before
we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low.  You had a
good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you did not
do it.

You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide.  The ENTIRE lead pack of
cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots.

Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we got there?

Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of the
way.  You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of cars headed
right for you.

Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of
responsibility with it, at least in this group it does.

This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap.  We only survived
because we dove low to avoid you.  Please learn from it for the next one,
that's all  I think we ask of you.

Larry

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McWhom
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: Knew it wasn't a good situation as we were coming up on them but we almost
: made it through. Joon tapped him as we were exiting the tir and I saw it
: coming and slowed just enough to get tapped by Dave. I slid sideways and
was
: thinking I was going to get out of it with no damage, until I got Boyked.
: (-:
:
:

: > McWhom,
: >
: > I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing.  Thank
: > goodness.
: >
: > I saw what you were doing long before we got there.  A HALF STRAIGHT
: before
: > we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low.  You
had
: a
: > good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you did
: not
: > do it.
: >
: > You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide.  The ENTIRE lead
pack
: of
: > cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots.
: >
: > Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we got
: there?
: >
: > Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of
the
: > way.  You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of cars
: headed
: > right for you.
: >
: > Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of
: > responsibility with it, at least in this group it does.
: >
: > This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap.  We only survived
: > because we dove low to avoid you.  Please learn from it for the next
one,
: > that's all  I think we ask of you.
: >
: > Larry
: >
: >


: > > Look at the replay, I am not at fault here.   The pack split in two
and
: > was
: > > passing high and low.   Not only that but the 98 car passed on the
apron
: > > which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to the
: > > outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car.   Do you guys
have
: > any
: > > brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since you
: are
: > > faster?
: > >
: > > --
: > > McWhom
: > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
: > >


: > > : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but
: I'll
: > > let
: > > : it pass :)
: > > :
: > > : Larry
: > > :


: > > : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the
: > > : > game.
: > > :
: > > :
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
:

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: Well, It appears my first mistake was in slowing and trying to get inline
: with the lap cars in  the first place.  Then I hesitated behind the 31
going
: into the corner and I guess that sealed it. I could not get by him in
time.
: When Larry went low I knew I was almost past and moved up as I looked into
: the rearview. It was too late and Joon (?) hit me as he was going to pass
me
: high.   Sorry folks, I practiced quite a bit in traffic but did not
: encounter that........
: I had thought I was doing well.
:
: --
: McWhom

P.S.  Forgive me for overthinking this but in my own defense this was not
the first time I had been past by groups of cars.  I generally try to move
high out of the way as soon as I can.
Larry, why did you say I had caused two wrecks?
: -----------------------------------------------------------------
:


: : Knew it wasn't a good situation as we were coming up on them but we
almost
: : made it through. Joon tapped him as we were exiting the tir and I saw it
: : coming and slowed just enough to get tapped by Dave. I slid sideways and
: was
: : thinking I was going to get out of it with no damage, until I got
Boyked.
: : (-:
: :
: :


: : > McWhom,
: : >
: : > I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing.  Thank
: : > goodness.
: : >
: : > I saw what you were doing long before we got there.  A HALF STRAIGHT
: : before
: : > we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low.  You
: had
: : a
: : > good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you
did
: : not
: : > do it.
: : >
: : > You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide.  The ENTIRE lead
: pack
: : of
: : > cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots.
: : >
: : > Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we got
: : there?
: : >
: : > Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of
: the
: : > way.  You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of cars
: : headed
: : > right for you.
: : >
: : > Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of
: : > responsibility with it, at least in this group it does.
: : >
: : > This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap.  We only
survived
: : > because we dove low to avoid you.  Please learn from it for the next
: one,
: : > that's all  I think we ask of you.
: : >
: : > Larry
: : >
: : >


: : > > Look at the replay, I am not at fault here.   The pack split in two
: and
: : > was
: : > > passing high and low.   Not only that but the 98 car passed on the
: apron
: : > > which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to
the
: : > > outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car.   Do you guys
: have
: : > any
: : > > brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since
you
: : are
: : > > faster?
: : > >
: : > > --
: : > > McWhom
: : > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
: : > >


: : > > : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here,
but
: : I'll
: : > > let
: : > > : it pass :)
: : > > :
: : > > : Larry
: : > > :


: : > > : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in
the
: : > > : > game.
: : > > :
: : > > :
: : > >
: : > >
: : >
: : >
: :
: :
:
:

Don't be throwing stones, #12, you're the one that blindly drove into a
wreck at 183mph earlier (lap 29 or something) eventhough you had half of the
backstretch to react to it. I might have escaped that one with minimal
damage (nearly got it stopped, but tangled with a purple car) but for your
actions. Ok, warp involved, but if there's an incident on the speedway you
slow down, end of story.

I will agree with you it's up to the lead car to get himself around lap
traffic and to accept courtesy when it's offered rather than commanding it
and dictating the way in which it should be offered. While most of the time
it's convenient to know the leader's intentions, there are other times when
it's not possible to accommodate the leader in the way he's got in mind.
This can lead to awkward and dangerous situations, but in each case it's up
to the following driver(s) to avoid trouble as best he (they) can.

Jan.
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McWhom
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: > <snip> Do you guys have any brakes in your car
: > or do you figure you don't have to brake since
: > you are faster?
:
: Don't be throwing stones, #12, you're the one that blindly drove into a
: wreck at 183mph earlier (lap 29 or something) eventhough you had half of
the
: backstretch to react to it. I might have escaped that one with minimal
: damage (nearly got it stopped, but tangled with a purple car) but for your
: actions. Ok, warp involved, but if there's an incident on the speedway you
: slow down, end of story.
:
: I will agree with you it's up to the lead car to get himself around lap
: traffic and to accept courtesy when it's offered rather than commanding it
: and dictating the way in which it should be offered. While most of the
time
: it's convenient to know the leader's intentions, there are other times
when
: it's not possible to accommodate the leader in the way he's got in mind.
: This can lead to awkward and dangerous situations, but in each case it's
up
: to the following driver(s) to avoid trouble as best he (they) can.
:
: Jan.
: =---
:
:
:
:

Pardon the sarcasm, but: of course, we should have stopped banging into
eachother and cleared the track by the time you got there. How very
untoughtfull of us.

No, if an incident happens ahead you slow enough to not become part of it
and then you, gingerly, pick your way through the wreckage. Keeping one's
foot in it and aiming for a gap is an option reserved to those who can still
see through and beyond the incident.

I know it won't have appeared to you as though you hit me... through the
effects of latency game reality varies from client to client, which in turn
is different than what will be apparent on the server. Your car is indeed
completely unaffected by the hit in my replay, but, sadly, the effect of the
collision on my car was permanent.

That's another reason why you shouldn't blat through wrecks... you can
"kill" other drivers without noticing it.

That said, having looked at it again, frame by frame, what seemed like
"almost stopped" was still 55mph. That still made for a sizeable impact with
Pete Reston and I wouldn't have gotten off free anyhow. That comment was a
bit rash, I'm sorry.

Not any more so than some of the others that have run with RASCAR or even
myself at times, but for one to get better mistakes have to be pointed out.

I'm sure you did, e.g., the situation right before things went wrong in the
lead draft wasn't your fault at all. Eldred, Dave and John where clumsy
passing you, never mind the fact they neglected to draft me up past you as
well... thanks a bunch guys. I think Eldred twigged it in the end and tried
to help me, but we were still side by side as we were caught by the lead
draft which went down the middle. Nearly drifted up into to the #31  there,
but gathered it up in time.

There's just not enough of us to do this SS racing properly... there's not
enough cars in the way to kerb some people's obsession with passing cars
even if, in their situation, it's the worst tactical move they can make.
Stick with it, use your nugget and you'll get some decent finishes out of
this stuff.

Everybody makes mistakes and will continue to do so with a varying degree of
consequences. This is accepted, as long as we get to rant about it. ;-)

I responded in this case as you called the kettle black, IMO.

Jan.
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He's the Dale jr of RASCAR!

    Pete

-Larry