rec.autos.simulators

> Same race, same driver, different topic: His whining about R. Gordon
passing
> under yellow. First of all, it doesn't concern Jeff, as it had no bearing
on
> his position whatsoever. Second, although there is a gentleman's
agreement,
> the move was perfectly legal. And third, and what really chaps my hide,
> didn't Jeff pass Kenseth (in a move that was incorrectly overruled)
earlier
> this season while racing back to the flag? So it's o.k. for him, just not
> anybody else? Yes, he's talented, but he certainly gives those of us who
> don't like him a lot of reasons to not like him. I won't even bring up his
> recent shoving people (the #40 twice, and the #22) out of the way. Well,
> technically, I guess just did bring that up. :)

> Sammy Marks

> > I wanted to make a couple of comments/observations on the Infineon
NASCAR
> > race today.  These are only my opinions and I express them to garner
open
> > discussion....if you also have an opinion?

> > In roughly the last two weeks, Jeff Gordon has raised the
> > bar.......twice.......in my opinion of him as a great race car driver.

> > I don't think there is any doubt that his performance in the Williams F1
> at
> > Indianapolis showed just how good of race car driver he is.  It even got
> the
> > F1 community talking about how good he drove the Williams.

> > Today, he showed me that he is capable of becoming one of the greatest
> > NASCAR drivers ever.....maybe the best ever (if he gets some luck in the
> > next 10 years).  Here's why I say that.

> > I think he could have passed Robby (Gordon) if he wanted to.  His car
was
> > equal to Robby's....and certainly his driving skills (anywhere, but
> > certainly on a road course like Infineon where Jeff has set/broken all
> > performance records in NASCAR) are better.  But.....I think Jeff showed
> the
> > intelligence of assessing the situation in almost a brilliant
> manner.....and
> > decided not to press the issue and just take the second place trophy
(and
> > valuable NASCAR points) and go to the next race.  After all, Jeff has
> > nothing to prove at Infineon (having won three times and led more laps
> than
> > any other current NASCAR driver....total).  And, Robby had/has a ton to
> > prove!  Therefore, he was not going to let Jeff get by him.......no
> > way....if he could avoid it.  That sets the stage for

>. And third, and what really chaps my hide,
>> didn't Jeff pass Kenseth (in a move that was incorrectly overruled)
>earlier
>> this season while racing back to the flag?

>I think it was *correctly* overruled if I remember right, but I didnt
>actually see it so im not sure.

> The call (during the race) was that Jeff had illegally passed the
> leader (Busch I think it was) [to prevent Kenseth from getting a lap
> back].  After taking the yellow he *incorrectly* gave the lead back to
> Busch, *then* NASCAR ruled that Gordon wasn't the leader and Kenseth
> got his lap back.

> After a few days, NASCAR actually admitted it made a mistake on the
> call (a first!) and said that Jeff should have been scored as the
> leader and Kenseth shouldn't have got the lap back.  If Kenseth wins
> the championship by the difference in points he gained on that race,
> it'll be a questionable championship - and a darn shame (particularly
> if there's a bowtie right behind him!).  But NASCAR has now admitted
> that they are human and do make mistakes, so the cat is out of the
> bag.  :)

> Personally, I think Jeff should have just held his P1 place behind the
> pacecar and if needed fudge the race off pit row rather than give any
> question on the legality of the move by allowing Busch (I think) to go
> by again.

> It was points racing (which seems to me that Jeff is doing that a lot
> lately), not "gentlemanly", and in accordinance with the rules.  I'd
> say he's serious about getting championship #5 race wins be damned.  I
> don't particularly like that last part, but I can understand the
> reasoning.

> Take it for what it's worth, if I was racing and had Gordon a lap down
> (by some miracle) early in the race (or late in the race with very few
> cars on the lead lap), I wouldn't be inclined to let him get a lap
> back and have him ruin my day either.  And I'm a JG fan.  :)

> >. And third, and what really chaps my hide,
> >> didn't Jeff pass Kenseth (in a move that was incorrectly overruled)
> >earlier
> >> this season while racing back to the flag?

> >I think it was *correctly* overruled if I remember right, but I didnt
> >actually see it so im not sure.

> > My thoughts exactly.......better expressed by you.  Thanks, SR.

> > Tom

>    All well and good....what happens if he looses the Nextel errr Winston
> Cup Championship by 10 points????

> dave henrie

> Then he would be mad...but it is unlikely he could have made the pass. It
is
> more likely he would have lost 50 points or more if he tried to make the
> pass and did not succeed.

> > > My thoughts exactly.......better expressed by you.  Thanks, SR.

> > > Tom

> >    All well and good....what happens if he looses the Nextel errr
Winston
> > Cup Championship by 10 points????

> > dave henrie

> > Same race, same driver, different topic: His whining about R. Gordon
> passing
> > under yellow. First of all, it doesn't concern Jeff, as it had no
bearing
> on
> > his position whatsoever. Second, although there is a gentleman's
> agreement,
> > the move was perfectly legal.

> Which is exactly what Jeff said, BUT, Robbie didn't earn that position.
> Harvick followed the gentlemen's agreement by slowing down, as did 41
other
> drivers, but Robbie decided to take advantage of other's good
sportsmanship
> by passing other cars while they slowed down for the caution.  The point
is,
> Robbie did not earn that spot by racing, he stole it by not following an
> agreement made between all drivers for safety reasons.

> What does this mean in the future.  I'd like to see drivers sneak past
> Robbie on a late race caution at Daytona but they won't because all of
those
> 42 other drivers have more class than R.Gordon.

> > And third, and what really chaps my hide,
> > didn't Jeff pass Kenseth (in a move that was incorrectly overruled)
> earlier
> > this season while racing back to the flag? So it's o.k. for him, just
not
> > anybody else?

> Not even close to the same situation.  The issue you are referring to was
> about letting lapped cars get their laps back.  What Robbie did on sunday
> was poor sportsmanship just to gain a position and nothing more.

> > Yes, he's talented, but he certainly gives those of us who
> > don't like him a lot of reasons to not like him. I won't even bring up
his
> > recent shoving people (the #40 twice, and the #22) out of the way. Well,
> > technically, I guess just did bring that up. :)

> Those are reasons to not like JG?  So, I guess you didn't like Dale
> Earnhardt either eh?