rec.autos.simulators

> While I'm admittedly biased for growing up wandering around M-O, and having
> many laps around it, Papy's version flat-out sucks.  The elevation changes
> are consistently off, and some of the turn radii are suspect too.  Then's
> there's glaring errors like putting the starter's stand on the wrong side.

> Street courses are an abomination, IMO. We may have to suffer them in real
> life, but I'd pay good money to avoid them on my 'puta.  That said, I like
> Noonan's Surfers and Monaco (which I can't even negotiate--much less
> race--in GPL).  You say you like modern configs, but while Monaco may be
> retro, it's nowhere near as nostalgia-flavored as the Nordschleife.  For
> that matter, Brands, Donnington (which dates to the 1920s), IoM, Lime
Rock,
> Mosport, Suzuka, the Glen and Zandy all date back to the GPL era.  Modern
> tracks (like Maylasia) are way too sanitary, safe, and geometric for my
> taste.  I'd love to drive the pothole-riddled Mulholland Drive in a Cup
car
> or Trans-Am, for that matter....

> --Steve

> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:18:36 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> > >Here are My 25 Essential Roadies for N2003...and My Reasons Why:

> > Good list Steve.  I'm going to be less demanding and whittle it down
> > to my personal 15.  Some of these were released already, but I'd like
> > to see them polished up in terms of accuracy and presentation.  I'm
> > going to stick to modern tracks in their modern configurations, since
> > that's primarily what I want to drive with these cars:

> > Adelaide
> > Bathurst
> > Brand's Hatch
> > Donington
> > Elkhart Lake
> > Isle of Man
> > Laguna Seca
> > Lime Rock
> > Mosport
> > Nurburgring Nordschleife
> > Road Atlanta
> > Suzuka
> > Vancouver
> > Watkins Glen
> > Zandvoort

> > I'd also like any tracks that would be necessary for a v8 mod and 1985
> > cup mod.

> > Jason

>Street courses are an abomination, IMO. We may have to suffer them in real
>life, but I'd pay good money to avoid them on my 'puta.

> >Hi Jason,

> >Street courses are an abomination, IMO. We may have to suffer them in
real
> >life, but I'd pay good money to avoid them on my 'puta.

> Spa? Rouen? Reims? Adelaide?

> Nothing wrong with the odd road course! Now if you're talking Detroit,
> Phoenix,Las Vegas <shudder>, different story!

> > Modern
> >tracks (like Maylasia) are way too sanitary, safe, and geometric for my
> >taste.

> I kind of like Malaysia - may be a liking for the country itself
> (fantastic place), but a modern track with <gasp> overtaking (at least
> if your name's Montoya)

> John

> Yup.  I started with the SCGT track and spent a lot of time fixing the
> Keyhole (AFAIK I'm the only one to actually get the entry right, though
> the Papy version isn't as bad to start with) and the Carousel exit
> before we released it for F1-2002.  There's a much prettier version by
> Spider500, but he copied the incorrect Keyhole entry.  I have a patch
> to fix it, and the combination is probably the best version available
> for F1-2002.  At least it feels more correct now. ;-)

>>Philistine.

>Hey now, you're the one who defended Detroit eariler.  Even I wouldn't
>sink that low. =)

>>Ouch - that hurts...<g>

>>Eldred - Detroit native

> I was insulting the track, not the city.

> I'm sure aside from inventing house music and the *** rate Detroit
> is a wonderful place. =)

> Jason

> > Yup.  I started with the SCGT track and spent a lot of time fixing the
> > Keyhole (AFAIK I'm the only one to actually get the entry right, though
> > the Papy version isn't as bad to start with) and the Carousel exit
> > before we released it for F1-2002.  There's a much prettier version by
> > Spider500, but he copied the incorrect Keyhole entry.  I have a patch
> > to fix it, and the combination is probably the best version available
> > for F1-2002.  At least it feels more correct now. ;-)

> Where might one download your handiwork?

> The CPR version that was ported to SCGT/NH/et al was vastly improved from
> Papy's.