rec.autos.simulators

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Good post, Jon.  I agree with you on just about everything.  I think
both camps missed out on a real opportunity.  CART could have worked
a deal with Papy/Sierra after the IRL split, or Sierra/Papy could
have seen an opening to get the license.  Then again, maybe the Sony
marketing machine was there before either party thought of it.

I just think it's a real shame that Papyrus gave up on the product
that put them on the map in the first place.  If not for Indy 500
and IndyCar Racing, where would they be?  There wouldn't be any
Nascar, NRO, or N2.  They wouldn't be part of Sierra; that's
a definite.  IndyCar 2 was released incomplete and bug-ridden, then
not patched for months, and when it was, it was an incomplete patch.  
Was this because the Nascar money machine was breathing down their
necks and pressuring them to concentrate on their product?  
We'll never know.

Well, at least I can look forward to Grand Prix Legends.  This game
looks like it might have some real potential with an all new game
engine.  The screen shots in the Sierra Inter Active mag look okay;
too many angles on things like mirrors and the like.  Hey, it's early.
But more importantly, the story talks about a virtual***pit!  This
means we can finally move our sim-racing Heads to look at other cars,
and probably that the line of sight changes from straight down the
front of the car to potentially looking down the track!  This will
make  for a tremendous improvement.  I hope David Kaemmer can pull it
off.  They're talking about a late '97 release (make it summer '98
if we're lucky).

Neil
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Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Yes we do!!!  It's Sierras way of doing bez, after I heard that Sierra
had bought Papyrus I knew that was the end of a good thing, Sierras
idea of a patch is to sell you a new game(which of course is buggy),
it keeps them selling games, THATS all they care about, SELLS.  I
avoid all Seirra products as they do NOT back the products they sell!!!
They don't care if a product is good or bad just as long as it sells.

On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:28:29 -0600, David Otterness

You are correct (probably) in estimating that ICR3 would outsell
SODA... But the key is interested development team(s), and SODA's team
is really kicking tail getting that product ready... I can assure you
that they are properly motivated... :-)

---Jim Sokoloff, again, these words are my own, and not Papyrus'

: >
: > Of course, the most likely scenario is they grabbed the license to
: > make a profit on it... Don't get me wrong, Papyus turned profits on
: > our (combined) IndyCar titles; we judged for a variety of reasons that
: > there were MORE profitable and MORE interesting things for us to do...
: >
: > ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, probably speaking for myself here.

: So you honestly think that a stadium truck sim will turn more profits
: than another ICR sim?? Granted, I was a big Nintendo "Super Off-Road"
: fan, but IMO an ICR sim would do better..

It looks like this will be the first sim from Papyrus I won't have an
interest in and don't see myself spending any money on it.

But, if the Passion is gone from the people left at Papyrus, it's better
that they leave it alone.  This would easily explain why we never saw a
completed version of ICR2!
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I agree with averything except that NASCAR is not a "generation X" sport.
With the aging of the generation Xers, the sport has grown tremendously.
Crowds have tripled at the tracks in the last 15 years. If anything, NASCAR
is "THE" generation X sport. I am an Indy car fan and a NASCAR fan. I was
also a driver in SCCA for 15 years. NASCAR is by far the most popular and
unique racing series in the world at present. With the recent TV coverage
in Europe, and racing in Japan, the NASCAR show is going to the ***
series. Indy must get its act together or it will fade into obscurity
behind NASCAR and GP.
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Charlie Heath
Papyrus

 Speaking from my own experience, I've always found Sierra to be one of
the most supportive software companies around. True, their large
corporate size does make response time to querries rather slow, but they
do seem to be putting a lot of effort into keeping their customers
satisfied. If you really want headches, try loading your hard drive with
Origin titles! You don't have to worry about patches then....you'll be so
frutrated writing PIF files and boot disks that just getting the damned
things to run will make you happy as a hog in slop.

I feel that ICR2 is the best simulator game..Even though there are so many
bugs, I prefer ICR2.  Look how little track converters come from GP2..
they can't do that!!  Anyways, ICR2 is fun at Taladega, where I can blow
away the competition.  What Papy needs to do is to try to join forces with
Sony.

http://members.aol.com/ROSCS

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Umm, I know queries about grammar are out of place on Usenet, but
do you mean :

Each person with their own thumbs up their own butt?

or

Everyone with their thumbs up one collective butt?
If so, who is so committed to all their co-workers to offer this
service?

That said, and to post at least something appropriate to this ng, and
the subject line - ICR2 seems pretty finished to me on my new
rendition based card.  It NEVER drops below 30fps with ALL DETAIL
and if I turn it to fast mode it peaks at 78fps.  Frame rates like
this make the game ten times more playable and fun.  I haven't
got N2 yet - is the rendition version as good as ICR2?

Jet

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: That said, and to post at least something appropriate to this ng, and
: the subject line - ICR2 seems pretty finished to me on my new
: rendition based card.  It NEVER drops below 30fps with ALL DETAIL
: and if I turn it to fast mode it peaks at 78fps.  Frame rates like
: this make the game ten times more playable and fun.  I haven't
: got N2 yet - is the rendition version as good as ICR2?

Not quite.  NASCAR2 is pretty good in rendition mode at most tracks.  It
will still drop a little below 30 with my P166 on occassion.  However,
their are a couple of tracks where the something isn't optimized and the
frame rates can get "chunky" even with the rendition card (e.g.,
Martinsville).  Don't think there is a "turbo mode" in N2.

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     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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