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GPL Beta testing

Ken Bear

GPL Beta testing

by Ken Bear » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Just got home from work, saw the email from Sierra about beta-testing being
open for GPL, but of course I wasn't one of the first 150.

Anyone else around here get on?

Ken

Marc J. Nelso

GPL Beta testing

by Marc J. Nelso » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

I think I did, but can't be sure...Everything seemed to go OK, so
I wonder now whether I'll get a beta or a TON of Sierra-SPAM?  =P

Cheers!

Marc


> Just got home from work, saw the email from Sierra about beta-testing being
> open for GPL, but of course I wasn't one of the first 150.

> Anyone else around here get on?

> Ken

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Marc J. Nelso

GPL Beta testing

by Marc J. Nelso » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00


> Well, it told me I wasn't one of 'em so right off the bat, so you're
> probably in.  Man, I didn't get on quick enough to get in on the CPR beta
> either...wait...that was a GOOD thing <grin>

Although I didn't get anything saying I *wasn't* on the beta, I also
never saw anything that indicated I *was*.  I guess if I am, that I'll
see something in my box (which I haven't).

Makes no diff to me...I get enough (trusted) inside info on the sim
to be confident of its outcome.  What I'm dying to try is the online
play, which I hear is spectacular!  =)

Cheers!

Marc

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Ken Bear

GPL Beta testing

by Ken Bear » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00


>I think I did, but can't be sure...Everything seemed to go OK, so
>I wonder now whether I'll get a beta or a TON of Sierra-SPAM?  =P

>Cheers!

>Marc


>> Just got home from work, saw the email from Sierra about beta-testing
being
>> open for GPL, but of course I wasn't one of the first 150.

>> Anyone else around here get on?

>> Ken

>--

Well, it told me I wasn't one of 'em so right off the bat, so you're
probably in.  Man, I didn't get on quick enough to get in on the CPR beta
either...wait...that was a GOOD thing <grin>

Hope this is a "real" beta test, and not like the CPR bit where you
basically got the gold version that shipped regardless of what comments were
made.  We'll see....

Ken

Ken Bear

GPL Beta testing

by Ken Bear » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00


>Makes no diff to me...I get enough (trusted) inside info on the sim
>to be confident of its outcome.  What I'm dying to try is the online
>play, which I hear is spectacular!  =)

>Cheers!

>Marc

Just hoping if there are some tweaks here and there that could be
incorporated they might get in, instead of this being the final version.
I'm sure it won't be anything like CPR.

About the multiplayer - is this gonna be a "Quake 2" type thing, where it's
in the sim and we could get decent-to-pretty-good play with a modem, for
free?  Or like N2 where it's only on a service that we have to pay extra
for?  Hoping for the former, ditto for Nascar 3.  Wouldn't mind if there's
something like NROS, where you can get full-fields and really good
performance if you want to pay, but they have a 4-8 player mode with decent
performance in the box.  Of course good performance w/ full fields for free
would be even better :-)

Ken

Marc J. Nelso

GPL Beta testing

by Marc J. Nelso » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00


> Just hoping if there are some tweaks here and there that could be
> incorporated they might get in, instead of this being the final version.
> I'm sure it won't be anything like CPR.

Same here...I'm told the artwork's being redone to some extent, mainly
to keep everything similar from track to track.  As far as the physics,
I think they're pretty much finished, and Papy appears to be focusing
on multiplay.

I don't think there's a service planned, if this is what you mean.  The
main emphasis seems to be in the connection (either via modem, or over
the 'net).  Races between 4 are a sure thing, and so far up to 5 are
possible (I'm talkin' a solid race, not just the number of bodies
connected) provided everyone has a good connection (this all based on
an ISDN host)...Cable modems will make things even better, but their
cost is a bit high (no pun intended).

Certainly many leagues will forming around online racing.  Organization
and how results are tallied will be an important issue.  All I want is
to be able to access the car model though.  ;)

Cheers!

Marc

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David No

GPL Beta testing

by David No » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Hmmmmm.....shouldn't the beta testing have been completed months ago since
according to Sierra the retail version will be available in
Sept..........something doesn't add up here. As for me I say release it now
and follow with patches that way we'll have something to *** and complain
about 8-)


>>Makes no diff to me...I get enough (trusted) inside info on the sim
>>to be confident of its outcome.  What I'm dying to try is the online
>>play, which I hear is spectacular!  =)

>>Cheers!

>>Marc

>Just hoping if there are some tweaks here and there that could be
>incorporated they might get in, instead of this being the final version.
>I'm sure it won't be anything like CPR.

>About the multiplayer - is this gonna be a "Quake 2" type thing, where it's
>in the sim and we could get decent-to-pretty-good play with a modem, for
>free?  Or like N2 where it's only on a service that we have to pay extra
>for?  Hoping for the former, ditto for Nascar 3.  Wouldn't mind if there's
>something like NROS, where you can get full-fields and really good
>performance if you want to pay, but they have a 4-8 player mode with decent
>performance in the box.  Of course good performance w/ full fields for free
>would be even better :-)

>Ken

ymenar

GPL Beta testing

by ymenar » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00

David Noe wrote

Well here is my 2...

Beta testing AND playtesting is started since months...  Papyrus have their
own testers for the game, called the "core-8" group, and playtester that
work at their office.  About all except for 1 of the "core-8" testers are
real life drivers.   Papyrus choose their own testers, well it's maybe not a
good word but they have their "clique" and that's good since they are all
*** drivers... not gamers...

Essentially the beta testing thing people received when they signed on the
sierra testing webpage is just IMHO publicity and marketing.  It's already
near or Gold, and the only point about this is that they can already start
on the first patch if nessecary.

So it's not beta testing, it's just somehow gamers who race the final
product before the release. Yes I said GAMERS...

It's the first time I see this from Papyrus, but I don't blame them it's
Sierra Sports policy probably to have a second set of testers for the
simulator.  They will choose GAMERS instead of just monitoring places like
r.a.s. and T.g.s.n. to take a little group of 50 people to make the second
set of testers...

- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)
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- Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)
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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

David G Fishe

GPL Beta testing

by David G Fishe » Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:00:00

The multiplay is what I'm looking forward to. If it's as good and easy to
set up a net race as MTM2, then I'll be happy. From what I hear, Papyrus had
to be pushed to concentrate on multiplay by beta testers (ridiculous) but
the results are supposed to be very good. I'm glad they were pushed, because
sim developers should make online play as much a priority as the physics and
graphics engine, and stop looking at it as if it's just an option.

Dave
DmndDave


>I don't think there's a service planned, if this is what you mean.  The
>main emphasis seems to be in the connection (either via modem, or over
>the 'net).  Races between 4 are a sure thing, and so far up to 5 are
>possible >Certainly many leagues will forming around online racing.  >
>Cheers!

>Marc

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>The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com

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Remco Moe

GPL Beta testing

by Remco Moe » Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:00:00


>It's the first time I see this from Papyrus, but I don't blame them it's
>Sierra Sports policy probably to have a second set of testers for the
>simulator.  They will choose GAMERS instead of just monitoring places like
>r.a.s. and T.g.s.n. to take a little group of 50 people to make the second
>set of testers...

It's one way to train the support staff before the game is released...

Remco

Vintoo

GPL Beta testing

by Vintoo » Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:00:00

This multiplayer thing needs a standard. I think Quake 2 set one when it
allowed superb internet gameplay on a 31,200 modem for no extra fees. If I
pay $50 for a game I would expect nothing less. If GPL or Nascar3 offers
TCP/IP internet gameplay then it should include nothing less than a full
racing field, be it 4,6 or 8 human drivers with the rest of the field
computer AI. Although for $50 it should allow a full human field. Paying $20
to $30 to a company like TEN after I already forked out $50 for the game and
$20 a month for the internet is crazy. Do they think we're all made of money
out here?
mark jeangerar

GPL Beta testing

by mark jeangerar » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Where do you get your information Fran?ois? Just curious.

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>Beta testing AND playtesting is started since months...  Papyrus have their
>own testers for the game, called the "core-8" group, and playtester that
>work at their office.  About all except for 1 of the "core-8" testers are
>real life drivers.   Papyrus choose their own testers, well it's maybe not
a
>good word but they have their "clique" and that's good since they are all
>*** drivers... not gamers...

>Essentially the beta testing thing people received when they signed on the
>sierra testing webpage is just IMHO publicity and marketing.  It's already
>near or Gold, and the only point about this is that they can already start
>on the first patch if nessecary.

>So it's not beta testing, it's just somehow gamers who race the final
>product before the release. Yes I said GAMERS...

>It's the first time I see this from Papyrus, but I don't blame them it's
>Sierra Sports policy probably to have a second set of testers for the
>simulator.  They will choose GAMERS instead of just monitoring places like
>r.a.s. and T.g.s.n. to take a little group of 50 people to make the second
>set of testers...

Bill Bollinge

GPL Beta testing

by Bill Bollinge » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00


> This multiplayer thing needs a standard. I think Quake 2 set one when it
> allowed superb internet gameplay on a 31,200 modem for no extra fees. If I
> pay $50 for a game I would expect nothing less. If GPL or Nascar3 offers
> TCP/IP internet gameplay then it should include nothing less than a full
> racing field, be it 4,6 or 8 human drivers with the rest of the field
> computer AI. Although for $50 it should allow a full human field. Paying $20
> to $30 to a company like TEN after I already forked out $50 for the game and
> $20 a month for the internet is crazy. Do they think we're all made of money
> out here?

Well, if you have never played on TEN with up to 24 other real human
beings, I will NEVER race online with ONLY 4-8 other people.  Lame in my
book --- Note:  I only pay 13 bucks a month for my TEN account and
overall I think it is a bargin.

Bill / Amish on TEN

Vintoo

GPL Beta testing

by Vintoo » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Yes I did play on TEN for about 3 months and thought it was great. But then
I checked my wallet and found I was paying way too much for something that
should be available anyway for no extra charge.
Michael Grand

GPL Beta testing

by Michael Grand » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Where do you live,  last time I checked there wasn't much you could get for free that was as fun as this, or as competative. But I like your train of thought. I think in the future you'll find that it's worth every penny and besides , you only get what you pay for. Just my opinion.

Mike Grandy

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    Yes I did play on TEN for about 3 months and thought it was great. But then
    I checked my wallet and found I was paying way too much for something that
    should be available anyway for no extra charge.


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