rec.autos.simulators

I was at the Australian Grand Prix a few weeks ago.  I have watched F1 cars
for a long time...  but one thing stuck in my mind that showed me how
amazing these guys and cars are....

I was lucky enough to get myself into the Jaguar corporate suite  (by
accident!), I just wandered in.... and before I knew it, there was green
furniture and fittings all around me!!  woops.. oh welll  :-)

I then went up stair and stood about 20 feet above the GP teams  (saw all
the drivers and managers etc..)   I had a great view of the front straight
and the entrance to turn one.

I watched the practise session and then the qualifying session.  Now these
cars are fast..  but I knew that.

What TOTALLY blew me away was the way these cars brake and stop.   Watching
all the cars drive down into turn 1.  they drove past the 150 meter board,
past the 100 meter board, past the 50 meter board (!!!) ..  TURN IN!!!  and
then you hear them down shift!!!!

This was Michael Schumacher on his final qualifying attempt.  He actually
turned into turn one before he hit the brakes!!!!

Absolutely AMAZING!!

And Schumacher was the only one I could see doing this..  Everyone seemed to
brake later than the 50 meter board, but Michael was the only one who
actualy turned in before he hit the brakes..

James Pickard

well you've been there and I've not been there but I still don't believe you
;-)... it sounds so incredible, those cars are doing 300 kph at the main
straight - please tell me at least that he lifted earlier otherwise:
impossible.

P.S. On the TV it looked to me like they brake at about 70-80 meters before
T1

cheers,
Alex

No, no, no!  You can't do that.  Our resident expert in the newsgroup has
told us repeatedly that, with modern F1 cars, the sequence is brake, let
off, *then* turn in.  This is the *only* way that it can be done with modern
F1 cars.  Don't believe your eyes, because we have it from a higher
authority.  :-)

Stephen

Maybe he was  using engine braking
there`s no way he would be in 6th gear
just before a turn.

You failed to notice what those person wrote after, saying that only few
drivers, like Michael Schumacher are able to do that.  Clearly not the
average human racecar driver like a good portion of gamers are...

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Yet, F1 2000 shows us that the common human can do this constantly without
any problem lap after lap...  (thanks for proving my point).  That was still
incredible driving by those F1 drivers today.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Stefan

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Sorry, don't remember exactly where they were braking when I was a Montreal at
the hairpin two years back.

Off topic, I find it disturbing in F1 sims where I see cars constantly
shifting down to first gear on turns like T1-T3 at Monza.  From what I've
read, 1st gear is used to start, and come out of the pits, and that's about it
(maybe Monaco??).  Can't they get this right??

Some while ago the story was that Schumacher doesn't lift the throttle
when he does his turns (well, in certain turns), to keep the revs in
the powerband, like they did in the turbo era, then to keep the boost
 high. Maybe this was the case?

Remco

IMO there's two sides to simming in general: one is about recreating the
situation as accurately as possible, allowing for people to attempt to
emulate the skills of their real world counterparts on their computer. The
other is to recreate the "experience" as accurately as possible for the
"average" gamer.

Ideally every sim should offer both, but I'm quite happy if a sim manges to
pull off either. This is why I like F1 2000: an easy enough sim so I can get
my mates to race me instead of fragging me at our LAN meetings (hey, I like
winning too <g>).

Jan.
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True, but this is where helps and driving aid come in place.  With quality
helps and aids, you can model both the recreation and the emulation.  Taking
all of them out, you shouldn't be able to be able to do such things like in
F1-2000.  If *** developpers understood that, everybody would be happy.
People that like your above point (I know the majority are them) can enjoy
the title, and at the same time people who want full realism are able to.
Even GPL, to some extent, doesn't necessary show what those cars were
REALLY.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

(Sorry...couldn't resist in light of his "offs" in the past).

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Chris

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|> turned into turn one before he hit the brakes!!!!
|
|well you've been there and I've not been there but I still don't believe
you
|;-)... it sounds so incredible, those cars are doing 300 kph at the main
|straight - please tell me at least that he lifted earlier otherwise:
|impossible.
|
|P.S. On the TV it looked to me like they brake at about 70-80 meters before
|T1
|
|cheers,
|Alex
|
|

EA may not have struck the balance right this time, but it's not that bad
either. GP2 had it pretty much nailed for its time, which is probably why it
clung on so long after it got technically surpassed.

Jan.
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