rec.autos.simulators

by **Mike** » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00

>>Wait, how many hours would you say that you have put into racing with
>>the NASCAR an the Track Pack CD's? I know I've logged at least a
>>thousand hours of racing Off-line/On-line with mine. A company with a
>>great product should make money, yes? Papyrus should be charging us
>>$100 for both, when they come out with Nascar2. I'll pay it!!! :)

>Your right. Let's make enjoyment the basis of price for everything. So
>Nascar2 should be about $1000.00. And since your boss probably only
>marginally enjoys your presence during work, you should be paid at minumim
>wage. NOW try to buy the game.

I would suggest that Terry's boss does enjoy his presence at work.
Maybe not in the same way as we enjoy Nascar, but in the financial
sense. Don't the laws of capitalism require his dismissal if there is
no marginal utility?

Mike

by **Bow-T** » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00

>> Since the Papyrus is indeed making Nascar 2, I began to wonder about
the Track
>> Pack. I hope that the current version of the Track Pack will be
compatible
>> with Nascar 2. I would be disappointed if I had to go out and buy
another
>> one. It's bad enough that a patch for Talladega isn't being
made......

>I think it is more likely that they will box NASCAR 2 with the full
>set of tracks (like IndyCar Racing 2). It's difficult to know how
>else they can see themselves adding sufficient "value" to the existing
>NASCAR product to make it attractive to gamers, but I would imagine
>that they might consider the following areas:

>- include Hawaii support in the boxed game

>- improved sound - pit/car radio
> - possibly even car/pit radio for those with
> microphones (as long as it doesn't hog too
> many CPU cycles with voice recognition).

>- enhanced replay features (e.g. more intelligent replays which
>mimick those you get in a real broadcast; switching between the
>different camera views and following all the on-track action. Could
>also have a commentator feature).

>- Windows 95 support

>- support for many different 3D graphics accelerator boards

>- even more enhanced driver A.I.

>What does everyone else think??

>Fraser

I think you are right. They need to do all these things and some more
stuff.

by **r..** » Thu, 23 May 1996 04:00:00

Mike- Perhaps Terry is a union employee? Or perhaps Terry is tenured? Or
perhaps Terry is related to the owner? Ever think about that, Mike? Don't
get smart, any fool can find error in any argument.

Mike- My position is as such: Chances are that Nascar2 will not be able to
run on my computer because its not a 133 Pentium or better. That's why I want
a patch for Talladega. I have NO problems with Papryus making money, we are
indeed in a capitalist society (yes, I'm a poor Republican). I am willing to
pay money for the patch. But I think it should have been included in the
Track Pack since its been only a year since it has been released. But now
Papyrus is issuing Nascar2 which is the patch that should have been in the
Track Pack.

BTW- I don't have anything against Terry, he simply stated an opinion that
added to this discussion....

by **Chuck Stuar** » Wed, 29 May 1996 04:00:00

> If Papyrus/Sierra put out a Daytona track then we wouldn't
>need THE PITS to make the Daytona for us now would we.

It is obvious that both Daytona and Indy will be included
with NASCAR 2, either in the original release or in an
additional track pack. That is why the track pack for ICR1
was discontinued and why they are threating legal action
against anyone releasing a Daytona track. Remember, NASCAR 2
will be sanctioned by NASCAR itself. There is no way they
would leave Daytona and/or Indy out of the package.

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

by **Tony Joh** » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

On Tue, 28 May 1996 20:10:28 -0500, Chuck Stuart

It's not that obvious to us, Chuck. Daytona seems to be a logical
choice to put in NASCAR 2, but Papyrus is still unsure if the owners
of the Daytona trademark will switch the license to them when Sega's
expires. THEY are not threatening legal action; Daytona is. Also,
NASCAR does not own the Indy trademark, so you'd have to ask Tony
George about that.

Enough with this Oliver Stone crap. You actually believe Papyrus is
trying to dupe us into believing IMS and Daytona aren't going to be
included? Are you saying they're manipulating the market like you
suggest?

No wonder Ed and Rick are starting to get frazzled.
--

IWCCCARS Project Coordinator
Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor
Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

by **k..** » Fri, 31 May 1996 04:00:00

"Remember, NASCAR 2
will be sanctioned by NASCAR itself. There is no way they
would leave Daytona and/or Indy out of the package."

REALLY? Then why wasn't Daytona included in the original version of NASCAR
Racing and the Track Pack? NASCAR approved the original product, but the
Daytona track itself has control over the use of its name and likeness.
So, it's entirely up to Daytona, NOT NASCAR. I would not be at all
surprised if Daytona is not included in NASCAR 2.

Kirn Cromur

by **Kyle Steve** » Fri, 31 May 1996 04:00:00

In addition to Kirn's post, Indy is NOT Nascar, and you'll have to get
IMS approval (Tony George of IRL fame), not Nascar. I doubt you'll
see the Brickyard unless Sierra/Papyrus has done some talkin' to the
right people in Tony's kingdom.

Kyle

by **N9LD** » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Will there be 2 different cars sets like Indy Car and Indy Car 2 or will
the be
backwards compatible???

Bill

by **David Spark** » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Will there be 2 different cars sets like Indy Car and Indy Car 2 or will
>the be backwards compatible???

From what I heard, the carsets are incompatible between NASCAR 1 and 2.
They are providing a lot more surface area for painting.

Dave "davids" Sparks
Sequoia Motorsports

by **Rick Beilfu** » Mon, 03 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Chuck Stuart wrote....

>"Remember, NASCAR 2
>will be sanctioned by NASCAR itself. There is no way they
>would leave Daytona and/or Indy out of the package."

>REALLY? Then why wasn't Daytona included in the original version of NASCAR
>Racing and the Track Pack? NASCAR approved the original product, but the
>Daytona track itself has control over the use of its name and likeness.
>So, it's entirely up to Daytona, NOT NASCAR. I would not be at all
>surprised if Daytona is not included in NASCAR 2.

>Kirn Cromur

If you read their press release, they say you can race on 16 different
tracks - same number as we have now - not all 18.

Rick

by **Crow** » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Hi,

I'm new to the newsgroup.. only just discovered it existed!

I heard something about a Nascar 2 . I'd like to add my own input to
what I'd like to see improved..

Paralax Sky ! Clouds etc..
Digital SPEECH PLEASE! Pit crews telling you stuff. Telling you how
many laps left.. telling you to pit soon, telling you everything! IN
fact how about words of encouragement! Like "Your doing great!"

But just like Falcon 3.0 I want tonnes of different possibilities for
Digital speech for one particular event - so not just the same voice
saying in the same tone - "One lap to pit"

I'd like to hear them tell me how people are running ahead of me etc,
of they've got problems, or behind me, if someone is gaining in the
field!

Thats the main improvement I want from Nascar 2 ...

I would also like the VR aspect, but you guys were already talking
about that..

by **John Mela** » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Sure! and how about (when you're black flagged for speeding in the
pits, the voice telling you (after 2-3 laps of ignoring the flag)
"Come on in. You know, you can't argue with these guys!" :D

They're not bugs! They're random features!