I guess, I must be doing something wrong, perhaps Its because I am
using a Joystick (Gravis Pro). The best time I have done is a 1.28.123
(Monza)
I would be interested to know your setups. I have already tried
configuring the car like a skateboard.
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>Maybe you should write to who ever is running that competion for two classes?
That would be nice, but it is very doubtful that it will occur.
>note:- I know you said that using steering help was cheating (not using the
> keyboard was
>cheating), but since steering help cannot be turned off with the keyboard, my
> argument still
>stands. (in my opinion steerng help is GP2's best feature)
Ah, but now you too can turn off steering help. There's a new utility out to
allow this.
>By the way - has it been PROVEN yet that keyboard is faster than steering
> wheel?
Not yet, I am only basing my opinions on the original WC/F1GP game. After
d'loading Josh's lap and examining it, perhaps there IS hope for us
wheel/pedal users. At least until I can equal and/or better his time, I'm
rooting for Josh to win this competition!
And I'm sure that while all the real F1 drivers might think the amount of time
we all put in to practicing these sims is ridiculous, at least we have the
drive to compete if not the actual talent/budget/cojones needed to be among
the elite.
I don't feel, however, that your argument regarding keyboard should be allowed
to be faster than wheel/pedals just because your computer already has one is
valid. This is just ludicrous. Of course people who can afford better
equipment go faster in racing. I'd like to see anyone beat some of the
wheel/pedal combo lap records in ICR2 using a keyboard. Not likely. If
keyboards are really faster, then maybe FIA will allow steering help computers
with keyboard controls so that Schumacher can go even faster by just pressing
buttons. I'm sorry that you have to pay 200 pounds for a wheel, but I got a
(not so great) Formula T2 for US$99, so that should be about, what, 60 pounds?
I'm getting really frustrated at Monza because I can't seem to go faster than
the low 84 second range. I'm convinced I'm losing most of my speed on
Variante Goodyear. I've examined some setups from the net, but they all seem
to be F/R 15/1 or something like that. I'm prepared to admit I just can't
drive these simulated F1 cars, but I can usually get within 2 seconds of ICR2
internet records and this 2.5-3 second range is starting to get really
annoying. I tried a setup with which the author claimed an 82.xxx at Monza
and found that the car had so much snap on oversteer that I couldn't drive it
at all. I'm about to give up. I'm trying a F/R 7/5 setup now to see if I can
make up with grip what I lose in the straights.
Of course, this is componded because once again the springs in my T2 are gone.
Time to by that TWS or some such I suppose.
Clark
The problem with most of the setups on the net, is that they are mostly setups
for steering help. If you look at the replays, you can clearly see when
steering help is being used. The cars drive like they are on rails. I really
wish then when setups were posted, that thhey would be specified as steering
help on/off. When using my T2 wheel, I find most of these setups almost
uncontrolable. Anyone posted any setups that are meant for those of us that
don't use steering help? I've got a setup of mine for Imola on Pieter's GP2
page that was intended for non steering help. I've a few more if anyone would
like to see them posted.....
While driving in Monza I noticed that I can definitely drive faster down
the straights in a qualifying session than in unlimited practice.
Whereas I can barely do 331 km/h in practice, I easily get 332 km/h
in qualifying. With exactly the same setup and fuel load mind you.
( This difference may sound insignificant but the regularity is
appalling. )
I am not sure whether the grip is affected too but in qualifying I
easily beat split-times that I had to struggle for in free-practice...
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Yes, appalling isn't it ? I haven't had a problem in qualifying (if
anything the car seems faster in qualifying although it is difficult
to tell for sure) but the actual race is a different matter. I
modified my Interlagos qualifying setup slightly, filled up with 25
laps of fuel and ran 25 laps in practice to check lap speeds and tyre
wear. The first thing I noticed was that on my last lap I decided to
really belt it round the lap to see how quick I could go - and
promptly got my fastest lap of the session - presumably on very worn
tyres. I checked my average lap times against those of the computer
cars in a race and found that my setup was a nice 1 - 2 seconds
faster. So far so good. I started a race and found that I was being
well outpaced by the lead cars. I could only manage an average of 1:20
while in practice using the same setup I was getting 1:17's and
1:18's. My first thought was that GP2 only takes into account fuel
load and tyre wear during the race itself. So I tried loading up with
just 5 laps of fuel and tried another race, this time the best I could
manage was a low 1:19 - still nowhere near the 1:17's I got in
practice.
What the hell is going on ? I remember from GP1 that the only time you
ran with a representative fuel load was during the race. Surely GP2
hasn't been deliberately designed to be the same. After all, what's
the point of practicing if the results you get are completely
worthless in the race ?
There's been a lot of complaints about GP2 since it was released. Yes
the graphics are slow compared to ICR2, but the simulation and
gameplay more than made up for it. Since I found this problem on
Sunday however, (I've spent the last couple of weeks testing, running
only a couple of low skill level races) I find that my enjoyment of
the game has been ruined.
Perhaps the worst thing about it is that GP2 was supposedly delayed
until Geoff Crammond thought it was "perfect". This "feature" would
seem to be too big to have been a bug overlooked by Geoff. Given than
GP1 worked in the same way, I feel that this behaviour is deliberate
rather than accidental. What chance then of a patch to sort it out ?
Oh well, there's always the new Visiware game to look forward to...
Apologies for wibbling on so long about this - but it really annoys
me!
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Bye,
Luca
: >I get the impression that GP2 in race mode engages in the same
: >silliness that F1GP did regarding randomly altering the car's
: >characteristics to simulate "track conditions"
: <snip>
[snip]
: What the hell is going on ? I remember from GP1 that the only time you
: ran with a representative fuel load was during the race. Surely GP2
: hasn't been deliberately designed to be the same. After all, what's
: the point of practicing if the results you get are completely
: worthless in the race ?
[snip]
I think there maybe something to this, but I really think that the CPU
load contributes to it more. The more work the CPU is doing to simulate
the AI and the added graphics somehow plays into this. Try this out in
VGA with next to no details with the same fps you use in SVGA (thus
extremely lowering the CPU%). Is there a difference? I don't know and
I haven't tried it this way, but I certainly do get a peformance boost
with lower CPU%.
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Is the variation in performance deliberate?
GP1 made some smart arse random variations itself to allow for
real life effects such as weather temperature etc.
: >I get the impression that GP2 in race mode engages in the same
: >silliness that F1GP did regarding randomly altering the car's
: >characteristics to simulate "track conditions"
Sure looks like it but is it varied too much?
The only thing that appears consistent is (non race) practice times
which is sensible so you can perform reliable setup tests.
I would suggest that is why Micropose's Monza competition is
run with laps under this mode.
If you want to look at real variations in practice times
look at these non season test times
http://www2.monaco.mc/atlas/news/Ttimes3.htm
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I have noticed much the same thing. I think it is the mechanics at it
behind our backs :). Overnight, or between sessions the mechanics will
tweak the engine. Before qualifying they will coerce more power at the
expense (perhaps) of reliability. Before a race they will opt for a less
powerfull but more reliable engine. I imagine for the practice sessions
the mechanics sorta compromise between the two.
Personally I don't think you should let this ruin your enjoyment. The
nature of the game means you can test time and time again in *actual*
race conditions, somthing that is denied real F1 teams.
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Nicola Salmoria
> test
Josh
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