With the current technology I just don't think even 25% of current FF
wheels can produce the correct effects required by GPL. Thus the
effects are useless and only hinder gameplay. I would certainly want
the patch to be published NOW and the gimmicks later.
Jaw. Drop. Floor. Hit. Ouch.
!!!!!!
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"Sorry, my eyes were on screensaver"
Certainly FF done well would be nice - and if anyone is likely to do it well
I expect the GPL people to be them.
I also think that employing 3D sound would be a very useful thing.
Especially given the size of GPL's blind spots. I thing Aureal's 3D sound
positioning system would be quite helpful in aiding a driver to position
surrounding near cars.
FWIW.
Bets Regards
Phillip McNelley.
Besides, if FF will bring more GPL users to the bank, what's the harm?
As long as there is an option to turn things on and off, I don't mind.
Scott
> > No Everett and I don't think they intend to. Papy feel FF is not yet
> > sufficiently advanced to be realistic and would detract rather than add
> to
> > the sim .
> > After some more familiarity with GPL you may well come to agree, as I do.
> > Enjoy the sim - it gets easier (except for the Ring!)
> > best wishes
> > Tim
> > > You probably heard all of this before but...
> > > I just got GPL last month (Finally got a system that can cope) and all I
> > > can say is WHOA! (Or prehaps WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, Crash, Endos and then
> > > hello rollbar!)
> > > Certainly a step above any other sim!
> > > Anyway I can't believe its taken 10 hours to do a 1:15 at Watkins Glen!
> > > I MUST reccomend the add ons available at usthepits.com. No more
> > > Murasma! Hello Honda!
> > > Anyway I was wondering, has Papyrus made a patch for force feedback
> > > wheels?
GPL could greatly benefit from even some simple FF such as understeer
effects, wheel to wheel contact & road surface irregularities (i.e.
bumps, dips, washboard surface) since these cars were much more affected
by this due to lack of aero & ground effects.
Software driver conflicts and workarounds are all pretty well documented
here & in FAQ's and I doubt they've fixed it so it runs at full detail
on a Cyrix 150 in software rendering.
Needless to say, I can wait.
Randy
> >Don't know about the gimmick thing. My guess is that it's going to offer a
> >lot more than a jolt when you smack the Armco or slide up on a curb.
> With the current technology I just don't think even 25% of current FF
> wheels can produce the correct effects required by GPL. Thus the
> effects are useless and only hinder gameplay. I would certainly want
> the patch to be published NOW and the gimmicks later.
> >Well, I _did_ recently say that there is _one_ more thing we're working
> >on for the patch. Hmmmm. I wonder what it might be? :-)
> Jaw. Drop. Floor. Hit. Ouch.
> !!!!!!
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Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html
> >Don't know about the gimmick thing. My guess is that it's going to offer a
> >lot more than a jolt when you smack the Armco or slide up on a curb.
Believe me, it's worth the wait!
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Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html
I'm able to determine from the sound where cars are located around me. So my
curiosity is about what 3D sound is going to provide that's not there now?
Can't imagine how it could get much better.
Incidentally, I ran for a long time at 6 sounds, and 16 sounds really does
seem to enhance the experience! It's the new peripheral sounds, like the
sound of a Ferrari screaming down a distant part of the track at full song,
that is almost startling at first.
Thinking about upgrading your hardware? Do it! With the equipment that's now
at our disposal the immersion is complete! After months of racing, GPL is
still leaving me gape-mouthed!
Jack Rambo
www.RaceLive.com/GPaL
>Randy
The perfect sim!
Well, I might as well go home now. I'll be driving the tracks of GPL
in my mind for the rest of the day, imagining what FF would feel
like...
Yay Papy!
(Gimmick? Hogwash!)
Brett "Wiggly-wheel" Reschke
> >I read statements by Dave Kaemmer and other Papyrus employees that said
ff
> >was currently a waste of time. Now a complete change of opinion?
> >David G Fisher
> Maybe they tried Viper Racing..
David G Fisher
Some of the people, all of the time
All of the people, some of the time
and now, Some of the people, none of the time.
:-)
Cheers!
John
More than anything, I understand Papy's original concern was more the
latency issue created by the overhead of Force Feedback. This may still
be an issue with those that connect via game port and to some degree
with units that connect via serial. But via USB, things should be alot
better on the latency side.
% > No Everett and I don't think they intend to. Papy feel FF is not yet
% > sufficiently advanced to be realistic and would detract rather than add
% to
% > the sim .
% > After some more familiarity with GPL you may well come to agree, as I do.
% > Enjoy the sim - it gets easier (except for the Ring!)
% > best wishes
% > Tim
% >
% >
% > > You probably heard all of this before but...
% > >
% > > I just got GPL last month (Finally got a system that can cope) and all I
% > > can say is WHOA! (Or prehaps WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, Crash, Endos and then
% > > hello rollbar!)
% > >
% > > Certainly a step above any other sim!
% > >
% > > Anyway I can't believe its taken 10 hours to do a 1:15 at Watkins Glen!
% > > I MUST reccomend the add ons available at usthepits.com. No more
% > > Murasma! Hello Honda!
% > >
% > > Anyway I was wondering, has Papyrus made a patch for force feedback
% > > wheels?
% >
% >
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Jack Rambo
www.RaceLive.com/GPaL
| Well I'm curious about this. I've just added a SB Live and Voodoo3 3000,
and
| I'm now able to run with 16 sounds, every graphic option maxed, except
| Detail Bias (50%), at 1024 x 768 pegging at 36 fps with a full AI field.
| Wow! What an experience GPL provides!
What CPU/speed are you using Jack?
I'm waiting for my V3-3000, and I already have the SB-live and a 300A/450 so
I read all posts about GPL and the V3 :)
D.Cook
