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Pulling out of the pits....

KCDC

Pulling out of the pits....

by KCDC » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Just a thought to help VROC qualifying sessions go a bit better: before you
pull out of the pits, directly on to the racing line, it would be a good
idea to check to see if someone might be on a hot lap, going 150 mph faster
than you, and in need of the racing line.

The easiest way I've found to do this, is set your mirrors to cars only, or
track and cars. This lets you see through walls, tree, etc. It also helps
your frame rate, and avoids that tree-floating-in-the-sky phenomena that
distracted the hell out of me anyway. If you then pull out towards the track
at a shallow, you will be able to see any cars coming for a long way back.
Giving another person space is a nice thing to do, and probably saves both
of you going back for new cars.

A few courtesies like this can make all our racing more enjoyable.

Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada

Mark Seer

Pulling out of the pits....

by Mark Seer » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quite right.
This is worse at places like the Glen where you come out right on the line
to the esses and a speeding car has no chance of adjusting line. Simply
stopping on the threshold and checking mirrors will save a lot of grief.

Another thing that has really been bugging me lately is the number of people
who wreck flying laps after falling off the track in front of others. OK we
all crash but some people insist on trying to get away again on the racing
line  and then bust a gut in an attempt to keep the following car at bay as
though it was in the race. There is absolutely nothing to gain by doing this
except to spoil things for others and possibly cause bad feeling. Once a lap
is spoiled the sensible thing to do would be to build up speed off the line
and collect ones thoughts for another lap. As a Cooper driver, regularly
qualifying around 2 secs slower than the pole time I need every tenth I can
find. Come on guys give it some thought give us all a chance to nail that
record lap :-)

Mark


>Just a thought to help VROC qualifying sessions go a bit better: before you
>pull out of the pits, directly on to the racing line, it would be a good
>idea to check to see if someone might be on a hot lap, going 150 mph faster
>than you, and in need of the racing line.

>The easiest way I've found to do this, is set your mirrors to cars only, or
>track and cars. This lets you see through walls, tree, etc. It also helps
>your frame rate, and avoids that tree-floating-in-the-sky phenomena that
>distracted the hell out of me anyway. If you then pull out towards the
track
>at a shallow, you will be able to see any cars coming for a long way back.
>Giving another person space is a nice thing to do, and probably saves both
>of you going back for new cars.

>A few courtesies like this can make all our racing more enjoyable.

>Kevin Caldwell
>Calgary, Canada

Remco Moe

Pulling out of the pits....

by Remco Moe » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00


>Quite right.
>This is worse at places like the Glen where you come out right on the line
>to the esses and a speeding car has no chance of adjusting line. Simply
>stopping on the threshold and checking mirrors will save a lot of grief.

While waiting watch the marshall. He will show a green flag if the
track is clear.

I can't agree more....

Remco

Michael Barlo

Pulling out of the pits....

by Michael Barlo » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

    Just to save that extra tid bit of frame rate, I have the drivers hands
graphics turned off. However, Some people have it turned on. So, while you're
getting up to speed, You may want to throw that arm up letting others know that
you going to stay where you are and they should pass.  (Just a thought).

 Mike Barlow


> Quite right.
> This is worse at places like the Glen where you come out right on the line
> to the esses and a speeding car has no chance of adjusting line. Simply
> stopping on the threshold and checking mirrors will save a lot of grief.

> Another thing that has really been bugging me lately is the number of people
> who wreck flying laps after falling off the track in front of others. OK we
> all crash but some people insist on trying to get away again on the racing
> line  and then bust a gut in an attempt to keep the following car at bay as
> though it was in the race. There is absolutely nothing to gain by doing this
> except to spoil things for others and possibly cause bad feeling. Once a lap
> is spoiled the sensible thing to do would be to build up speed off the line
> and collect ones thoughts for another lap. As a Cooper driver, regularly
> qualifying around 2 secs slower than the pole time I need every tenth I can
> find. Come on guys give it some thought give us all a chance to nail that
> record lap :-)

> Mark


> >Just a thought to help VROC qualifying sessions go a bit better: before you
> >pull out of the pits, directly on to the racing line, it would be a good
> >idea to check to see if someone might be on a hot lap, going 150 mph faster
> >than you, and in need of the racing line.

> >The easiest way I've found to do this, is set your mirrors to cars only, or
> >track and cars. This lets you see through walls, tree, etc. It also helps
> >your frame rate, and avoids that tree-floating-in-the-sky phenomena that
> >distracted the hell out of me anyway. If you then pull out towards the
> track
> >at a shallow, you will be able to see any cars coming for a long way back.
> >Giving another person space is a nice thing to do, and probably saves both
> >of you going back for new cars.

> >A few courtesies like this can make all our racing more enjoyable.

> >Kevin Caldwell
> >Calgary, Canada

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David Er

Pulling out of the pits....

by David Er » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Good point but something to remember is GPL only-one-car-visible-behind-you
problem. If you ,the car on the fast lap, see 2 cars in pit road  you'd best
keep in mind that the front car won't see you until you have passed the
trailing car. The front car may easily drive out in front of you since the
track appears clear to him. Be prepared to take avoiding action if you see 2
cars exiting the pits especially at Watglen,Mosport and any other track
where the pit exit is onto the racing line. Consideration for the other guys
situation and heads up driving will go a long way to making GPL more
enjoyable. Its also a good idea to check the pit lane screen before you hit
the green button to go on track. Just make sure you also  hit  the live feed
too :)

(snip some good stuff about not letting your wrecked lap mess up someone
elses)

Bart Westr

Pulling out of the pits....

by Bart Westr » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00




>> Quite right.
>> This is worse at places like the Glen where you come out right on the
line
>> to the esses and a speeding car has no chance of adjusting line. Simply
>> stopping on the threshold and checking mirrors will save a lot of grief.

>Good point but something to remember is GPL only-one-car-visible-behind-you
>problem. If you ,the car on the fast lap, see 2 cars in pit road  you'd
best
>keep in mind that the front car won't see you until you have passed the
>trailing car. The front car may easily drive out in front of you since the
>track appears clear to him. <snip>

At the expence of some bandwidth, it is possible to see more cars behind,
using the following settings in core.ini (both server and clients). Try it
even when clients are on a modem connection to the Internet.

net_lan_client_send_every = 3
net_lan_client_send_size = 84
net_lan_server_send_every = 3
net_lan_server_send_size = 132 ; (8 cars visible, 6 ahead, 2 behind)
net_use_mdm_bandwidth_for_tcp_ip = 0

This will give the following bandwidth requirements:

Client: upload 8.6Kb/s, download 17.9Kb/s
Server (8 clients): upload 142.8Kb/s, download 69.1Kb/s
Server (12 clients): upload 214.3Kb/s, download 103.7Kb/s
Server (16 clients): upload 285.7Kb/s, download 138.2Kb/s

If the bandwidth requirement is too high, change net_lan_server_send_every
to 4. This will require roughly the same bandwidth for server upload as the
standard settings, with latency increased by about 15ms (worse when there is
substantial packet loss).

More on this at http://people.a2000.nl/bcwes/gplol.htm.

Bart Westra

David A. Ewin

Pulling out of the pits....

by David A. Ewin » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

<Kevin's good points on pulling out of the pits deleted>

And don't forget to type "PO" (Pit Out) to give adequate warning.

Dave Ewing

Michael Barlo

Pulling out of the pits....

by Michael Barlo » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

    I assumed that that was automatically sent out by GPL.  I'll have to
start doing that then.



> <Kevin's good points on pulling out of the pits deleted>

> And don't forget to type "PO" (Pit Out) to give adequate warning.

> Dave Ewing

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Michael Barlo

Pulling out of the pits....

by Michael Barlo » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

    This statement is wrong!  I tried this earlier today only to find out that
the flag is displayed just after you stop.  The reason being is GPL thinks that
the stopped car (you) is an accident.  Since that flag Marshall is after the
stopped car he shows the green flag.

    I seen that flag and had a clear track.  I also seen that flag while cars
were all the way up and down the track.  So.  I think the best thing to do is to
check that mirror.

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Christer Andersso

Pulling out of the pits....

by Christer Andersso » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Check the TV-screen before you get into your car, have it on chase and your
name, press shift-v and you'll see the next car behind you. If he's far enough,
enter the pits and out on the track. Mayby I should start do this myself :o).

/Christer


> Just a thought to help VROC qualifying sessions go a bit better: before you
> pull out of the pits, directly on to the racing line, it would be a good
> idea to check to see if someone might be on a hot lap, going 150 mph faster
> than you, and in need of the racing line.

> The easiest way I've found to do this, is set your mirrors to cars only, or
> track and cars. This lets you see through walls, tree, etc. It also helps
> your frame rate, and avoids that tree-floating-in-the-sky phenomena that
> distracted the hell out of me anyway. If you then pull out towards the track
> at a shallow, you will be able to see any cars coming for a long way back.
> Giving another person space is a nice thing to do, and probably saves both
> of you going back for new cars.

> A few courtesies like this can make all our racing more enjoyable.

> Kevin Caldwell
> Calgary, Canada

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c

Pulling out of the pits....

by c » Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I always thought that was people saying they were pissed off!
Pit Out makes more sense.
Thanx

>     I assumed that that was automatically sent out by GPL.  I'll have to
> start doing that then.



> > <Kevin's good points on pulling out of the pits deleted>

> > And don't forget to type "PO" (Pit Out) to give adequate warning.

> > Dave Ewing

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Remco Moe

Pulling out of the pits....

by Remco Moe » Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:00:00


>> While waiting watch the marshall. He will show a green flag if the
>> track is clear.
>    This statement is wrong!  I tried this earlier today only to find out that
>the flag is displayed just after you stop.  The reason being is GPL thinks that
>the stopped car (you) is an accident.  Since that flag Marshall is after the
>stopped car he shows the green flag.

>    I seen that flag and had a clear track.  I also seen that flag while cars
>were all the way up and down the track.  So.  I think the best thing to do is to
>check that mirror.

Heck, you're sure about this? It does work for me. Hmm, I'll check it
out some more, thanks.

Remco

schwab

Pulling out of the pits....

by schwab » Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Amen Kevin!!! I always check mirrors (set like you suggest) before PO.
But others apparently don't, especially at the Glen, where Pit Out and
Turn 1 apex are SOOOOO close.

And another thing: if you come out of the pits, DO NOT race with the guy
coming up from behind you. You are on cold tires, let the guy with
warmer tires through...

--Dave


> Just a thought to help VROC qualifying sessions go a bit better: before you
> pull out of the pits, directly on to the racing line, it would be a good
> idea to check to see if someone might be on a hot lap, going 150 mph faster
> than you, and in need of the racing line.

> The easiest way I've found to do this, is set your mirrors to cars only, or
> track and cars. This lets you see through walls, tree, etc. It also helps
> your frame rate, and avoids that tree-floating-in-the-sky phenomena that
> distracted the hell out of me anyway. If you then pull out towards the track
> at a shallow, you will be able to see any cars coming for a long way back.
> Giving another person space is a nice thing to do, and probably saves both
> of you going back for new cars.

> A few courtesies like this can make all our racing more enjoyable.

> Kevin Caldwell
> Calgary, Canada

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Randy Cassid

Pulling out of the pits....

by Randy Cassid » Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:00:00



An even easier way is this:
  - Get into your car.
  - Hold the brake pedal down so you don't roll (can happen at Spa, for
example).
  - Hit SHIFT-V to shift your view to the car behind you on the track.
This works whenever you're in your car and it is stopped.  Just
remember that Race Control will yank your car out of the world in about
30 seconds if your car is on the racing surface, and in about 3 minutes
if it's on the grass (if I remember correctly).
  - Judge whether you have time to safely exit the pits by where that
driver is on the track.
  - Hit CTRL-V to return you to your car and drive away.

Randy

Randy Cassid

Pulling out of the pits....

by Randy Cassid » Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:00:00




> While waiting watch the marshall. He will show a green flag if the
> track is clear.

A marshall will only show a held green flag if the previous marshall is
showing a yellow flag.

Randy


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