Papy's next game?

by **ymenar** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:06:57

> But wouldn't you agree that Sierra has NOT pushed the Papyrus Nascar
> titles 'world wide'?

Yeah, because there is no demand for NASCAR around the world. If they would
simply change their mentality (towards non-US buyers, which are still in
much greater number then in the US), they would understand that the demand
is there, and screaming for serious non-NASCAR simulations. But they are
kept in their United States of America vision, that only those people are
worthly of having a serious simulation of their kind of motorsport.

Yeah that's my point. If they would shoot at the second pie, they would
know that their part is much much bigger and (also) sweeter. ;)

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by **Brian Simpso** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:24:31

I'd like to see the comparative sales numbers for that.

Not arguing, but being serious. I'd like to see the sales numbers comparing
the F1 sims to the Nascar sims.

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> > So what you're saying is that Papyrus should cater to your wants and
> forget
> > about what sells best. Novel idea. (-:

> A single F1 sells more worldwide then any NASCAR title will ever sell.

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by **Mika Takal** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:28:37

and Finland, and AFAIK in Sweden too.

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> > After all, N4 came out in Germany, England and maybe Australia...

> N4 came out in Norway too.....I sold 4 copies

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by **Biz** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:31:16

Titles on shelves does not equate to any sort of demand....you ever see how poorly the
marketing/sales depts. work at most companies? The big problem is that us race simmers thing we
make up a large percentage of the pc *** title market, we don't even rate a drop in the bucket.
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by **ymenar** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:33:05

> You may be right, but there are quite a few F1 games out already.
> Unfortunately F1 isn't very picky in who they license. EA's F1 2002 is
> pretty fun but no one races it online because of the quality of the
> multiplayer.

Yeah you're right Mike. But there are quite a few NASCAR games out already
also no? NASCAR doesn't seem pickup in who they license, considering the
number of bad titles throughout the years that had their name sticked on the
box. ;) :(

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by **ymenar** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:34:17

> Not arguing, but being serious. I'd like to see the sales numbers
comparing
> the F1 sims to the Nascar sims.

GP2, GP3 are multi-million sale softwares just per example. Ubisoft have
also sold more then a million copy of F1RS and MGPRS2.

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:48:55

Was it originally released there or did importers bring it in from the
countries that had distribution rights?? Just curious.
I guess a better way to ask would be to say, was it localized for language
etc or did you just resell a German box?
dave henrie

by **Mika Takal** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:13:21

Well, I think it was actually inported, as are most of the games here in
Finland. Only mainstream games have those awful (or, lately, not anymore so
awful) localized manuals.

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> > and Finland, and AFAIK in Sweden too.

> Was it originally released there or did importers bring it in from the
> countries that had distribution rights?? Just curious.
> I guess a better way to ask would be to say, was it localized for
language
> etc or did you just resell a German box?
> dave henrie

by **Alex 'pez' Porazinsk** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:32:48

and theres me thinking it was because the FIA banned online play :)

pez

> You may be right, but there are quite a few F1 games out already.
> Unfortunately F1 isn't very picky in who they license. EA's F1 2002 is
> pretty fun but no one races it online because of the quality of the
> multiplayer.

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> > > So what you're saying is that Papyrus should cater to your wants and
> > forget
> > > about what sells best. Novel idea. (-:

> > A single F1 sells more worldwide then any NASCAR title will ever sell.

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by **adsale** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:41:19

> > and Finland, and AFAIK in Sweden too.

> Was it originally released there or did importers bring it in from the
> countries that had distribution rights?? Just curious.
> I guess a better way to ask would be to say, was it localized for language
> etc or did you just resell a German box?
> dave henrie

There was a European version of N4, it was only imported to Norway
because I asked them to get me a few copies for myself and a couple of
friends, well, calling Matt and Ed from GPLEA friends is probably not a
proper use of the term but I feel generous tonight, I know they brought
over some more copies and persuaded other stores to carry it as well as
I've later seen it in other stores, which probably wouldn't have
happened if it wasn't for 3 hardened sim racing enthusiasts who knew one
of the guys who works for Sierra's Norwegian distributor.......Papy
should pay me some sort of commission methinks

Beers and cheers
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by **Larr** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:31:24

They don't need to announce because everyone _knows_ what it will be.

NR2003.

They had better damned site fix the AI in this one. The AI has degraded
slowly since Nascar Racing 3 to the point where it's nearly impossible to
race with them now. They just continually run you right off the race track.

It's like racing with 21 clones of Mike Skinner and 21 clones of Robbie
Gordon all mixed up around you with the agression switch set to high.

One has to wonder if they haven't lost the programmer talent they once had
concerning AI programming.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:34:21

The problem is, it's not improving where it counts.

Yeah, the cars are prettier. Yeah, we get to listen to Darrell explain the
tracks to us, but that's not what is important.

The damage model is canned as all get out. There STILL isn't progressive
repairs after all these years. The AI is now completely brain dead, and
their only goal is to run you off the track somehow.

Those are the things that, IMHO, are degrading, not improving, and they need
to be fixed.

We're owed a patch in NR2002 for this, but I doubt we ever get it. They
have our money by now, and will just wait until the next time the collection
plate is passed.

-Larry

> Great! I'd sooner see them slowly keep improving on the NASCAR Sim
myself.

> > >Have there been any hints as to what Papyrus's next racing game will
> cover?
> > >I sort of expected they would have announced something by now.

> > A NASCAR game - what else..? :-(

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:46:00

"Goy Larsen"
< Papy should pay me some sort of commission methinks
I agree ol boy, and just to show how SERIOUS I am about getting you that
commision, I'm NOT gonna buy a Ferrari until you DO get compensated for 4
sales...well, 3 after your own copy right??
dave henrie

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:47:57

"Larry" <
I beleive somebody here already posted that no more patching is
forthcomming for N2k2. They have no budget for such work. Notice I didn't
say they have no MONEY for such work, but rather no BUDGETED FUNDS.
dave henrie
(Grant Reeve?? are you busy after work????)

:)

by **Eldre** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:56:58

>So what you're saying is that Papyrus should cater to your wants and forget
>about what sells best. Novel idea. (-:

Well, since you put it that way...yes!
<g>

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