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What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

cron

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by cron » Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:32:10


> "BD" wrote...
> > Here are my opinions......

> > What I like:

> > 1. Great graphics, like they should look in all
> >    racing games.

> Why does everybody keep saying it's got great graphics? -Trackmodelling is
> cruder than F1 2001 and the overal graphics are barely on par with the
> add-ons for GPL, let alone any of the more modern games. In fact, when one
> plays it, one wonders why it eats processor and GPU cycles like it does.

> Fairly enjoyable game with mass market appeal, but not one of the great
> lookers, IMNSHO.

> Jan.
> =---

How about you upgrade that geforce2 before you start commenting on
graphics quality. :P
Damien Evan

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by Damien Evan » Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:44:03

The game is based largely on DirectX 8 graphics.  You'll need at the very
least a Geforce 3 to see what the graphics are supposed to look like.
Jan Verschuere

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 26 Apr 2004 01:57:04

I do own one of those... have you seen Brands Hatch'67 for GPL?

Jan.
=---

greenfiel

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by greenfiel » Mon, 26 Apr 2004 06:00:20

I would clearly choose the PC version if I could only buy one version.  It
is much more simlike, which is my preference. slightly better graphics,
mostly due to the higher resolutions of the pc version, although the TV does
seem to smooth out the minor jaggies that I still can see even at 1280x1024
with 4x antialiasing on.


> I've rented the XBOX version and played with the PC demo.
> I'd like to hear you compare and contrast the full PC version vs. the XBOX
> Res0zlgu, if you have the time....I'd especially like to know if you had
to
> do it over again, and buy just one version, which one would it be?

> I'm leaning towards the PC version because of the pro-sim mode and the
hope
> that folks like John Bodin will come out with mods, new tracks and cars,
and
> other tweaks for the PC version.

> As for likes and dislikes on the XBOX version...

> Likes: Graphics, drivability, potential variety of tracks and cars
> Dislikes: 90% of the game is locked up upon starting out, you only have
> access to a few cars and tracks :-( where's that cheat code generator when
> we need it... I also dislike the career mode for the same reasons as
stated
> above.

> Jay J



> > likes = the best graphics I have yet seen in a PC racer
> >                 the best balance between sim/arcade physics in any racer
> > ever
> >                  very nice damage modelling
> >                  excellent sounds
> >                  beautiful tracks, with great variety
> > Dislikes = I don't like having the tracks and cars locked away
> >                        the damage modeling should be more severe
> >                         the a.i. is too easy in the turns
> >                          the menus dont use the mouse pointer
> > Overall I like this game more than any PC racing game in the last 2
years,
> > it's just plain alot of fun and compelling, cause I want to see and
> > experience all the cars and tracks.
> > Hopefully, there will someday be a way to tweak the physics to make them
a
> > bit more simlike. A great game and a steal at only 29.99. The best $30 I
> > have spent in a long time. I also bought the XBOX version , which is
about
> > equal to the pc version grapically, but at tv resolution.  Very smooth
> frame
> > rates. Unfortunately it is about 70% arcade instead of the nicer 50/50
> ratio
> > of the pc version. Just not as much fun as the pc version, and not even
as
> > simlike as even Gran Tourismo 3 on the playstation 2. Hopefully there is
a
> > "pro simulation mode " that can be unlocked.


> > > Here are my opinions......

> > > What I like:

> > > 1. Great graphics, like they should look in all racing games.
> > > 2. Damage is simulated better than in most sims, but still
> > > unrealistically. The car you drive is able to perform in spite of
> > > massive abuse, but you can ultimately kill it. At least they tried.
> > > 3. A career system that creates some feeling of immersion.
> > > 4. Grass and traps have a fairly good feel. Sometimes it pays to go
> > > offroad, but usually not.
> > > 5. A ton of tracks and a wide variety of championships.

> > > What I don't like:
> > > 1. Feel of cars (somewhat weightless?)
> > > 2. Career races are usually very short (2 or 3 laps)
> > > 2. No setup option.
> > > 3. No qualifying. You find yourself starting races on tracks you know
> > > absolutely nothing about.
> > > 4. No black flags. You can get away with ***y ***.
> > > 5. The career system calls for you to repeat races to force
> > > progression. Rather linear.
> > > 6. As you move up the scale of difficulty you are forced to win by
> > > late braking, rough driving and practicing other unsafe driving
> > > methods that would get you banned from real racing.

> > > No way I can defend TRD2. I'm glad I bought it, as it offers something
> > > different. Then again, I buy way too many games. Most sim purists
> > > won't touch this one, but some of us in this group may enjoy the
> > > diversion it offers.

> > > BD

Damien Evan

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by Damien Evan » Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:38:31

Now I'm confused....you're not seriously suggesting that Brands '67 (which
is nice but far from being the best looking track for GPL) looks nicer????

gcorriga

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by gcorriga » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:50:39

someone mentioned that a Formula Ford model is included in TOCA 2.

If so, whats it like (or is it locked away).

Be interested , in  particular from anyone that has raced them. i
always thought they could make a very good sim, as the driving style
and lack of sophistication in suspension etc should be realistic to
model.

Also if they are modeled, what tracks can they be raced on?

Thanks

Glenn

Jan Verschuere

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:12:59

Exactly, I even tried to make a couple screenshots to illustrate my point,
but I can't get any from TRD2 (even with FRAPS). So I'll try to explain what
I mean.

If you look down s/f from Paddock Hill bend you can see that TRD2's
spectators are cardboard, just like GPL's, only less detailed. TRD2's
buildings are better, but the track layout is very blocky (Why waste polys
on the buildings wif this means the track ends up looking rougher than
Noonan's Brands Hatch?); asfalt/grass texture quality is about the same, so
I don't see why the TRD2 version is considered better looking(*).

TRD2 does have true dynamic lighting, which does make for slightly better
replay viewing. Too bad the player car does a fairly good impression of a
shopping trolley with wobbly front wheels. <g>

Jan.
=---
(*): Notice I didn't mention the jaggies (oh dear, the jaggies!). GPL was
not designed to use FSAA either, but, using the OpenGL renderer, you can at
least turn it on if your CPU/GPU horsepower allows it.

bhoeni

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by bhoeni » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:54:11

There are 4 tracks that the Formula Fords can be raced on.  Oulton
Short, Oulton Long, and 2 more that I can't recall atm.  The Formula
Fords have to be unlocked either by working your way thru career mode or
buying the cheat codes from Codemasters (around $5).  Since I'm an
impatient sort, I went for the $5.

I'd say that out of all the types of cars that I've tried (which hasn't
been many so far), the Formula Fords have the best feel. The AI could be
a bit smarter though.  ( Note that I have not tried racing online yet.)

From what I've seen, it's not a full-fledged "Papy-esque" sim, but parts
of the game are fun nonetheless.


> someone mentioned that a Formula Ford model is included in TOCA 2.

> If so, whats it like (or is it locked away).

> Be interested , in  particular from anyone that has raced them. i
> always thought they could make a very good sim, as the driving style
> and lack of sophistication in suspension etc should be realistic to
> model.

> Also if they are modeled, what tracks can they be raced on?

> Thanks

> Glenn

gcorriga

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by gcorriga » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:00:42

:I saw a screenie somewhere, and the track livery looked as though it could be Gold Coast Indy track. Can someone confirm the other 2 tracks available for the formula fords?.

that will settle the deal on purchase to me

Thanks

glenn

gcorriga

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by gcorriga » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:01:52

PS, sorry if I hijacked the original thread of this post. Didnt mean
to get off topic.

sorry

crossbon

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by crossbon » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:08:14



>:I saw a screenie somewhere, and the track livery looked as though it could be Gold Coast Indy track. Can someone confirm the other 2 tracks available for the formula fords?.

>that will settle the deal on purchase to me

The first patch will allow you to add more track and car combinations. Of
course, other people are working on hacks to do the same.
gcorriga

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by gcorriga » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:02:12

Thanks Crossbone, but can someone still answer the question please on
the other 2 FF tracks?





>>:I saw a screenie somewhere, and the track livery looked as though it could be Gold Coast Indy track. Can someone confirm the other 2 tracks available for the formula fords?.

>>that will settle the deal on purchase to me

>The first patch will allow you to add more track and car combinations. Of
>course, other people are working on hacks to do the same.

Damien Evan

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by Damien Evan » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:25:57

The road/kerb/grass/fence textures are all much higher resolution in TRD2
combined with the pixel shaders make it look much better than even the very
best GPL track IMO.  I'd still rather play GPL any day though...
bhoeni

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by bhoeni » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:51:11

The other 2 tracks are Vallelunga and Mantorp-Short.

> Thanks Crossbone, but can someone still answer the question please on
> the other 2 FF tracks?





> >>:I saw a screenie somewhere, and the track livery looked as though it could be Gold Coast Indy track. Can someone confirm the other 2 tracks available for the formula fords?.

> >>that will settle the deal on purchase to me

> >The first patch will allow you to add more track and car combinations. Of
> >course, other people are working on hacks to do the same.

crossbon

What do you like/dislike about TOCA Race Dirver 2?

by crossbon » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:58:15

Ah, I misread your question.  I though you were asking if there were more than
two other tracks for the FF.



>Thanks Crossbone, but can someone still answer the question please on
>the other 2 FF tracks?





>>>:I saw a screenie somewhere, and the track livery looked as though it could be Gold Coast Indy track. Can someone confirm the other 2 tracks available for the formula fords?.

>>>that will settle the deal on purchase to me

>>The first patch will allow you to add more track and car combinations. Of
>>course, other people are working on hacks to do the same.


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