rec.autos.simulators

I know software is going to have bugs but the more I play nascar2 the more
pathetic it gets. My biggest beef of all is the fact that I have random
breakdowns turned off and still " something lets loose in the motor". It
has happened to me three races in a row tonight and NO! its not from using
a short 4th gear. During caution laps after a wreck the spotter goes on
and on meaningless with GO LOW GO HIGH. Usually one and then the other
like he can't make up his mind. And in the main race menu I have had as
many lock ups as I have races. Judging from how good nascar1 was ;  I
imagine this rush for release before Christmas came from the infamous
MONEY HUNGRY sierra. Even with that considered ; how can you release such
a pathetic piece of software like this after the high praise you recieved
from nascar1? Not to mention that about half of the features we heard
about for months were left out of the game. I think you need to fix your
program before you start consentrating so much on the NRO. Which reminds
me ; Are you even working on a patch for N2 yet? Seems like the patch
should have been released the day after the game hit the shelves :) And
for the ones in here that get SO MAD when someone expresses there
frustration with all the n2 bugs ; can you really say you have'nt had the
same problem? Unless you have'nt played it I doubt you can. It seems like
your so affraid of upsetting one of these papyrus guys that you can't
stand for others to speak their mind. Do you think they care? They already
have your money. Yes it sounds sarcastic but anyone who bought N2 and has
to live with this bug filled game has a right to be angry.

   Angry CONSUMER

Take it back and shut up.

I for one...thoroughly enjoy one of the BEST racing sims ever.

corn

Well you did ask, so here are a few of my experiences.  First, let me
say I've only run N2 several times, and haven't "lived" on it like some.
(I am still busy running Multi for Hawaii races.)  I have run 6 or so
races on Kali, some practice with 2 player modem, and some practice by
myself.  Some of the Kali races had AI, some didn't.

1)  Breakdowns - none.
2)  Lockups - none from menus, a couple with connect problems on Kali
3)  Spotter yelling wierd things - haven't seen it

Patch, is being worked per Papy.  Did you not see that post??

Just a point here that many of the complaints seem to vary greatly from
person to person (machine to machine) and YOUR problems may not be
present for some other configurations.  I'm not saying there aren't
issues that need a patch, it just seems that the expectation levels for
N2 have gone off the scale!  And everyone seems to want to compare the
final patched version of N1 with the non-patched N2.  Will these be
issues after the first or second patch?  Hope not, but we will see.

(Why does rec.autos.simulators.whiners come to mind??  We could cut the
traffic here in half or more!)

What?!? N2 has bugs in it?!? Oh no!! (being sarcastic) Jeez, every
software will have bugs in it, no matter who makes it. It's not that
Papyrus doesn't care and just wants your money, or that they felt that
they absolutely had to release it so that everyone buys it for Christmas.
Yes, they had to release it, but that was because they had a deadline to
meet. They couldn't do what Microprose did and release N2 several months
late. Then they would loose a ton of money. Well, they could afford that,
right? No. Unlike many of you think, Papyrus and it's employees doesn't
swim in money. Some of the features were probably left out because of the
deadline, or because Papyrus didn't have the right people (like with the
AI). Papyrus has worked *** N2 to satisfy the public, working overtime
and even on the weekends for months.. Be happy with what you have. Gp2 has
a ton of bugs in it AND many features where left out AND it was late AND
we might not see a patch, but I still enjoy to game a lot. N2 was maybe a
week delayed AND they are working on a patch right now. If some of you
still think that Papyrus is only after your money and N2 is such a
horrible sim, then take it back. No, I'm not saying all this because I am
afraid of Papyrus and I want to suck up to them. If I think that a Papyrus
product sucks, then I will tell Papyrus. But since I don't have
encountered such a Papyrus product so far, I havn't had to tell them that
(and I'm happy about that). There is nothing wrong with speaking your
mind, but I'm getting tired (I'm probably not the only one) of people
constantly complaining about Papyrus, this bug and that bug, this feature
and that feature, etc. Papyrus knows that there are bugs and they are
currently working on a patch. And to those of you that constantly complain
about every little thing on every sim, I think that you are either very
spoiled, or you're just complaining for the sake of complaining. If the
perfect sim ever comes out, what are you gonna do? Complain about the fact
that you have nothing to complain about then? Many companies including
Papyrus are working very hard to satisfy the public. Like anyother
product, a racing sim/game will never be totally bug free. Papyrus is the
only company that has employees that say something in this newsgroup and
try to help people. Do you see Electronic Arts in here? No. How about
Microprose? No. Papyrus is the only company that says something in this
newsgroup. I've never seen Geoff in this newsgroup. But Jim and Adam (or
mostly Jim right now, Adam is pretty busy working on your patch) talk to
you in this newsgroup. Bottom line: companies are working hard to satisfy
the publics with racing sims/games, and Papyrus is one of them. Papyrus
has probably put the most effort into it. Who else has made 4 to 5 great
racing sims in the last few years? Give them a break. Making racing sims
isn't that easy. A new software will always have bugs in it. If you don't
like it, then take it back. But if you do like it, then great.

Interesting...I have'nt had a single hang...at Main Menu or elsewhere.
I've never had a random failure with damage set to off.
The spotter audio 'loop' *is* a minor annoyance, but I certainly enjoy
the increased realism.  N2 is brilliant, imho.  cheers...duncan.

Under Yellow - the spotter continues to yell go-low .... go-low.  Also, the
spotter will tell you to pass the next car on the track when you exit the
pits and then tell you to get back behind that same car.  Once you know
this - you learn to just ignore him in these instances.  I am sure that
these will be patched.

Heaps Snippoed--------------

How true. Most people agree with what you said. You will allways get
the complainers out there. I have know idea why they moan. They must
be right. Papyrus just want our money and think we are stupid and make
rubbish for us to be ripped off with. Come to earth some of you fools
out there. Look at what we got. Indy500 the first real attemt and a
decent sim to Nascar2. Ideas that customers come up with can be seen
in the sims that these guys make. Sure some bugs. Mininal delay in
release and allways a patch when needed. Support in this group know
matter how silly the question.
Yep they just want our money..  :-)
Well all I can say they must have seen me and others coming as I have
every produst that they have released including track packs and have
been 99% happy most of the time. Maybe I am easy pleased.

Shane Lansky

Hobart,Tasmania
Australia

I pretty much lived on it the first week I had it.  I tried it out on Kali,
with some success, and a raced a few friends across town.  On these short
races, I didn't really mind the few bugs it shipped with.

I haven't seen any un-explained breakdowns,  just when I forget to shift!

Can lock it up at will when hosting a 3+ player Kali game.  This is with
either KaliDos or Kali95.  Otherwise, I hardly ever have it lock on me.

Then you need to race a little more.  The spotter gets so confused at times
that you just want to put him out of his misery.  This usually only happens
when a large wreck has occured, but once it does, look out!  

Saw the post, but am still waiting on the patch.  I will not be returning
this game, because I can see the games potiential, but until there is a
released patch, that fixes the spotter and the AI at some of the tracks (
Atlanta for 1 ), I won't be running any Championship Seasons.  Got a few
races into one, and got so frustrated I haven't even loaded N2 since before
Christmas.  

Not off the scale, but we, or at least I, didn't expect the succesor to an
existing program to contain so many bugs, or to have some of our
pre-existing features left out. ( Save Game )  The new graphics are ok, but
not worth the hit the games performance has taken.  My poor old P-120 is
now almost inadequate to play the game AND display all those new graphics
even with the Reactor.  ICRII Rendition runs rings around the N2 Rendition
on my system.

What would you have us base it on?  GP1 perhaps?  When I went from N1 to
N2, of course I used the N1 for my baseline.  Just because the origional N1
had / has bugs doesn't mean that the new release HAS to be buggy also, does
it?  Yes, of course anything this complex will have bugs.  But when the
bugs are so obvious and annoying to someone who just plays it occasionally,
surely the SIM fanatics who wrote the thing knew they were there, and had
the ability to fix them.  Time constraints?  Sorry, don't buy it.  Oh God,
Christmas is coming, Christmas is coming!   Release, release!!  Patch it
later.  They made the deadline, got in on the Christmas frenzy, and ticked
not a few people off in doing so.

I can wait.  Hope they fix it in the first patch.  I would rather wait a
few months for a ' all know bugs squashed ' version than get a patch that
fixes a few at a time.  There are other things that I could be doing than
sitting around waiting on a patch.  They will release it when it is ready
and, I hope, not before.

Just think, if you left you could cut out 100% of us whiners.  Ever hear
the old saying ' The squeaky wheel gets the grease ' ?  Just think of us
whiners as ' Squeaky Wheels '.  

Have a nice day,

Again, doesn't matter who makes the game, there will ALWAYS be bugs in a
game. I think that the save game feature was left out because they wanted
to make a better one than NASCAR 1's, but didn't have the time. I never
liked the
save race feature in NASCAR 1, not because I never use it, but because it
was
pretty stupid. Gp2's save race feature is a lot better. In NASCAR 1 you
had to line up under a yellow flag. The spotter does yell weird things
occasionally, but I can live with it. The graphics are great. I have a
P133 with 16 megs of RAM, and I can run N2 in SVGA mode twice as fast as I
could run N1. Maybe the game doesn't run slow or locks up because of bugs,
but maybe it's your computer. If those problems were caused by bugs, then
pretty much everyone would have those problems.

I don't understand why some of you expect Sierra to just have just kept on
moving the deadline until N2 is perfect. Do you know what that would do?
They would have lost a lot of money and a lot of you would have been
pissed at them for the delay.
Just like with Gp2.

I'm not flaming anyone. I don't have a problem with anyone complaining
about N2, but I wish that you would use constructive criticism, and stop
this "Papyrus is totally retarded because they forgot the save game
feature" "Sierra just wants your money." "***!", "N2's AI isn't
that good because Sierra is afraid a good AI would hurt multiplayer
participation!" and all that other ridiculous crap.

Some of you are pretty paranoid. If you don't like the game, take it back.
If you're upset that there is no save race feature then tell Papyrus "Hey,
what about the save race feature? I like running 100% races but don't have
the time to finish a race all in one session. I hope you make a patch."
instead of "You forgot the race save feature! Too lazy, eh? You just want
our money!"
Or learn to live with the bugs until the patch comes out. At least there
will be a patch. Where is Gp2's patch? I don't see one.