rec.autos.simulators

by **tjmc** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:56:12

Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it.

Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:37:00

Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK.

Jan.
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"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

by **tjmc** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:38:56

On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"

>"tjmc" wrote...
>> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.
>Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK.

Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports F1 2001. My question
is for recommendations on the best steering wheel/pedal setup.

We're really looking for the best to play both F1 and NASCAR. Have
heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel.

Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you recommend it? What are
other good brands? Thanks.

by **Mick** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 03:31:58

You could try it, but I've never seen any topics about it (or any
console systems) in here. Mainly racing games played on the PC..

> Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it.

> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

by **Rob Adam** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 03:37:21

Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more XBox,
PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up. Maybe
one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term "simulator".

Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play games as
much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god forbid)
my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider...

> You could try it, but I've never seen any topics about it (or any
> console systems) in here. Mainly racing games played on the PC..

> > Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it.

> > Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

by **Stuart Becktel** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:20:34

What you do is take this into consideration now. It is acutally a GREAT
excuse to get a new computer. The old AMD 1.4 that you got six months ago
OBVIOUSLY can not supply enough power for your computer, so you will have to
buy a complete new box for yourself, and give your wife the old computer.
Lol, hope that this works for someone...
-Stuart Becktell

> Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more
XBox,
> PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up. Maybe
> one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term
"simulator".

> Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play games as
> much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god
forbid)
> my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider...

> > You could try it, but I've never seen any topics about it (or any
> > console systems) in here. Mainly racing games played on the PC..

> > > Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it.

> > > Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

by **Rob Adam** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:25:52

Lol, you wanna convince her of that? Pretty accurate though - it was a 1.3
AMD and it was about 4 months ago. Unfortunately it was a completely new
box, and I gave the old one to my parents (what was I thinking?!?).

A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comes a
bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an aging Geo
Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house?

> What you do is take this into consideration now. It is acutally a GREAT
> excuse to get a new computer. The old AMD 1.4 that you got six months ago
> OBVIOUSLY can not supply enough power for your computer, so you will have
to
> buy a complete new box for yourself, and give your wife the old computer.
> Lol, hope that this works for someone...
> -Stuart Becktell

> > Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more
> XBox,
> > PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up.
Maybe
> > one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term
> "simulator".

> > Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play games
as
> > much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god
> forbid)
> > my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider...

by **Jason Mond** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:29:10

Because you can't sleep in your car :) Maybe that's why I bought a
house instead of a new car.

> Why oh why did I buy a house?

--
Jason Monds
http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL)
http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims)
(Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

by **Scott Moor** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:50:33

Correction- you CAN sleep in your car, but you can't drive your house to
Cancun. Unless you happen to be a motor coach-driving retiree, that is ;)

Scott Moore
The Pits Touring Car Championship
http://www.theuspits.com

>Maybe that's why I bought a
> house instead of a new car.

> > Why oh why did I buy a house?

> --
> Jason Monds
> http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL)
> http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims)
> (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

by **Haqsa** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:28:46

I'm in the same boat as you. I have an Xbox, F1 2001, NASCAR Heat, and
Project Gotham Racing. PGR I can almost play with the gamepad, and the
ovals in Heat aren't too bad, but I cannot get used to F1 2001. (OTOH
on the PC I still suck almost as badly even with a wheel ;o). The only
wheels that I have seen so far are the one you mentioned, and a similar
product from Thrustmaster. I haven't tried them, but I doubt that you
would be disappointed in either one. Just bear in mind that even though
they advertise force feedback, it is just rumble effects, not true FF.
True FF MIGHT be on the way from a certain company starting with the
letter L, but that's just an unofficial rumor and you didn't hear it
from me. ;o)

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"

> >"tjmc" wrote...

> >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

> >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK.

> Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports F1 2001. My
question
> is for recommendations on the best steering wheel/pedal setup.

> We're really looking for the best to play both F1 and NASCAR. Have
> heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel.

> Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you recommend it? What
are
> other good brands? Thanks.

by **Gary Wample** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:13:28

In case no one has mentioned it yet: ActLabs is most likely creating
cartridge(s) to make ActLabs wheels compatible with XBox and PS2. The
ActLabs wheels use cartridges that you can plug in to make compatible with
different platforms. They already work with the PC, N64, Dreamcast, and
Playstation.
On the ActLabs message board an ActLabs employee said: "ACT LABS is
committed to making our Racing Systems future proof. This has always been
and always will be a cornerstone for our development. You will definitely
see us in there with XBOX compatibility... Please be patient and wait for an
official announcement."
And there is this statment on the web page: "We do not currently offer a
cartridge for the PlayStation 2 platform however one is in development but
there is no set release date."

see www.act-labs.com

by **John Metco** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:02:04

have a question for you guys with the XBOX
how does the graphic compares with PS2 and PC ??

I have seen the PS2 on analog TV and it is nothing
to talk about , comparing to the PC.

2001, NASCAR Heat, and
the gamepad, and the
wheel ;o). The only
mentioned, and a similar
mind that even though
effects, not true FF.

> True FF MIGHT be on the way from a certain company
starting with the
> letter L, but that's just an unofficial rumor and you
didn't hear it
> from me. ;o)

> > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan
Verschueren"

> > >"tjmc" wrote...

> > >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

> > >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for
the XBOX are AFAIK.

> > Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports
F1 2001. My
> question
> > is for recommendations on the best steering
wheel/pedal setup.

> > We're really looking for the best to play both F1
and NASCAR. Have
> > heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel.

> > Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you
recommend it? What
> are
> > other good brands? Thanks.

by **Haqsa** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 12:51:55

Xbox graphics, just like PC graphics, depend a great deal on how good of
a job the developer did, but in the best cases (Dead or Alive 3, Halo)
they are just so drop dead gorgeous that it's hard to believe you are
looking at a 640x480 screen with no FSAA. That's right, none of the
current developers are using FSAA even though the capability is built
into the chipset, and all of the current games are rendered at 640x480
regardless of what mode your TV is in. But through careful choice of
color palettes and clever use of real time lighting and pixel shaders to
create various effects, the jaggies are just not that noticeable.
Honestly the lighting is the best I have seen on any platform.
Theoretically you could do the same thing with a GF3, but currently no
games for the PC use the GF3's capabilities to the degree that the Xbox
does. An Xbox on an HDTV would be the best graphics you can possibly
get in home *** right now, at least until the PC developers catch up.

> have a question for you guys with the XBOX
> how does the graphic compares with PS2 and PC ??

> I have seen the PS2 on analog TV and it is nothing
> to talk about , comparing to the PC.

> > I'm in the same boat as you. I have an Xbox, F1
> 2001, NASCAR Heat, and
> > Project Gotham Racing. PGR I can almost play with
> the gamepad, and the
> > ovals in Heat aren't too bad, but I cannot get used
> to F1 2001. (OTOH
> > on the PC I still suck almost as badly even with a
> wheel ;o). The only
> > wheels that I have seen so far are the one you
> mentioned, and a similar
> > product from Thrustmaster. I haven't tried them, but
> I doubt that you
> > would be disappointed in either one. Just bear in
> mind that even though
> > they advertise force feedback, it is just rumble
> effects, not true FF.
> > True FF MIGHT be on the way from a certain company
> starting with the
> > letter L, but that's just an unofficial rumor and you
> didn't hear it
> > from me. ;o)

> > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan
> Verschueren"

> > > >"tjmc" wrote...

> > > >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

> > > >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for
> the XBOX are AFAIK.

> > > Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports
> F1 2001. My
> > question
> > > is for recommendations on the best steering
> wheel/pedal setup.

> > > We're really looking for the best to play both F1
> and NASCAR. Have
> > > heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel.

> > > Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you
> recommend it? What
> > are
> > > other good brands? Thanks.

by **tjmc** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:15:27

>have a question for you guys with the XBOX
>how does the graphic compares with PS2 and PC ??
>I have seen the PS2 on analog TV and it is nothing
>to talk about , comparing to the PC.

I'm not a good judge regarding the comparison on a great PC.

We've made a decision to go with the dedicated gamers for *** rather
than attempting to keep up with the ever increasing power requirements
of PCs.

I'm sure the XBOX will not be the final word on ***. On the other
hand it only cost 300 bucks. That's less than the cost of the great
video cards alone not to mention whole new PC systems--processors, RAM,
mobos...as the technologies move forward. We use our PCs for the
Internet, word processing, money, photos...normal stuff. And to be
honest, 400 MHz w/128 RAM is more than enough. (Hell, I'm typing this
on a networked 166 MHz Pentium running Win98SE w/64M RAM.) And I won't
even mention the headaches of drivers and devices one is forced to deal
with every time Micro$oft comes out with its new operating system of the
month.

Regarding the comparison with PS2, we did our homework and found the
graphics on XBOX to be overwhelmingly superior.

by **Stuart Becktel** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:42:19

Oh GOD,***the house, the car...food for a couple of months (comeon, BE A
MAN, you can do it.) and get a NEW CAR....A Geo Tracker? Lol, just joking...
-Stuart Becktell

> Lol, you wanna convince her of that? Pretty accurate though - it was a 1.3
> AMD and it was about 4 months ago. Unfortunately it was a completely new
> box, and I gave the old one to my parents (what was I thinking?!?).

> A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comes a
> bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an aging Geo
> Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house?

> > What you do is take this into consideration now. It is acutally a GREAT
> > excuse to get a new computer. The old AMD 1.4 that you got six months
ago
> > OBVIOUSLY can not supply enough power for your computer, so you will
have
> to
> > buy a complete new box for yourself, and give your wife the old
computer.
> > Lol, hope that this works for someone...
> > -Stuart Becktell

> > > Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more
> > XBox,
> > > PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up.
> Maybe
> > > one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term
> > "simulator".

> > > Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play
games
> as
> > > much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god
> > forbid)
> > > my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider...

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