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What is Papy Up To These Days?

Dave Henri

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by Dave Henri » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:19:16

  Thanks for pointing that out Rafe.  I have been having a big big big

retyped that and missed a letter.
  I can still receive emails, but I keep getting the same 15, when the 16th
message tries to dload, it times out...even with my timeout setting all the
way to max at 5 minutes. I've been in contact with two tier one techs but
each time they refer me to the tier two techs, I've been
disconected...(heavy problems with the e***/at&t switchover)  so I'm
struggling with hotmail and a few other workarounds til I get this figured
out.
dave henrie

> Dave Henre? Have you changed your name by deed poll?

> Rafe Mc




Dave Henri

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by Dave Henri » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:20:39

"Olav K. Malmin"
  Ouch Olav!  That hurts this old time CART fan, hurts a-lot.......
dave ;( henrie

John Pancoas

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by John Pancoas » Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:58:41

  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the problem.
It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits for
repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the wreck.

  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

-John

meettonysopra

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by meettonysopra » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:33:34

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"


>  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the problem.
>It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits for
>repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the wreck.

>  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

>-John

I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
your driving experience?  

Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
control in the turns.

John Pancoas

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by John Pancoas » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:29:36

"shrug"  Then you're one of the few.  I've done it myself.

-John


> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> >  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the problem.
> >It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits for
> >repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the wreck.

> >  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

> >-John

> I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
> repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
> running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
> your driving experience?

> Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
> generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
> its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
> in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
> control in the turns.

Dave Henri

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by Dave Henri » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:49:26

  In our many TPTCC road races(based on N3)...I would "purposely" allowthe
front end to be dinged to increase downforce.  If you don't do major damage
it is possible to turn better times after slight wrecks.  Of course I
discovered this only after many hours of scientific testing and it also has
NO bearing on N4.  But I would suspect some of these things might
behappening when you turn better times....
a) you've become aclimated to the different driving condition(damage) and
have adjusted your style
b) the damage actually accentuates downforce or lessens drag due to the
placement of the damage.
c) you're like me and haven't turned enough laps anywhere to get the full
benefit out of the car.
dave henrie


> "shrug"  Then you're one of the few.  I've done it myself.

> -John



> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> > >  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the problem.
> > >It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits for
> > >repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the
wreck.

> > >  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

> > >-John

> > I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
> > repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
> > running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
> > your driving experience?

> > Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
> > generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
> > its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
> > in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
> > control in the turns.

meettonysopra

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by meettonysopra » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:04:20



It seemed to work pretty well for Robby Gordon in New Hampshire, too.

John Pancoas

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by John Pancoas » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:39

  Nothing that detailed Dave, thanks.  I've been _t-boned_ at high speeds,
as have others, and after flipping X times, even IF there is ANY damage,
just go into the pits, and wahlah, repair, race ready.

  IOW, front end damage is the least of concerns<G>

-John


>   In our many TPTCC road races(based on N3)...I would "purposely" allowthe
> front end to be dinged to increase downforce.  If you don't do major
damage
> it is possible to turn better times after slight wrecks.  Of course I
> discovered this only after many hours of scientific testing and it also
has
> NO bearing on N4.  But I would suspect some of these things might
> behappening when you turn better times....
> a) you've become aclimated to the different driving condition(damage) and
> have adjusted your style
> b) the damage actually accentuates downforce or lessens drag due to the
> placement of the damage.
> c) you're like me and haven't turned enough laps anywhere to get the full
> benefit out of the car.
> dave henrie



> > "shrug"  Then you're one of the few.  I've done it myself.

> > -John



> > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> > > >  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the
problem.
> > > >It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits
for
> > > >repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the
> wreck.

> > > >  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

> > > >-John

> > > I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
> > > repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
> > > running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
> > > your driving experience?

> > > Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
> > > generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
> > > its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
> > > in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
> > > control in the turns.

The Other Larr

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by The Other Larr » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:10:51

PLENTY of damaged cars have won Nascar Races.  You must not watch them all.

-Larry


> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> >  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the problem.
> >It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits for
> >repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the wreck.

> >  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

> >-John

> I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
> repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
> running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
> your driving experience?

> Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
> generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
> its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
> in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
> control in the turns.

The Other Larr

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by The Other Larr » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:11:56

Hehe :)  Earnhardt was accused of that from time to time :)  Denting the
hood to increase downforce to fix a push :)

Smart move if you ask me :)

-Larry


>   In our many TPTCC road races(based on N3)...I would "purposely" allowthe
> front end to be dinged to increase downforce.  If you don't do major
damage
> it is possible to turn better times after slight wrecks.  Of course I
> discovered this only after many hours of scientific testing and it also
has
> NO bearing on N4.  But I would suspect some of these things might
> behappening when you turn better times....
> a) you've become aclimated to the different driving condition(damage) and
> have adjusted your style
> b) the damage actually accentuates downforce or lessens drag due to the
> placement of the damage.
> c) you're like me and haven't turned enough laps anywhere to get the full
> benefit out of the car.
> dave henrie



> > "shrug"  Then you're one of the few.  I've done it myself.

> > -John



> > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> > > >  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the
problem.
> > > >It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits
for
> > > >repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the
> wreck.

> > > >  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

> > > >-John

> > > I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
> > > repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
> > > running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
> > > your driving experience?

> > > Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
> > > generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
> > > its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
> > > in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
> > > control in the turns.

The Other Larr

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by The Other Larr » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:09:58

meettonysoprano,

You must not race on WON :)

There, Wrecking IS Racing.  Especially on the Papy Level 6 server :(

-Larry


> On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:52:49 -0500, "Scott B. Husted"

> >I think N4 is good, but the damage model absolutely sucks and ruins it as
a
> >simulation.   YES... damage modeling in stock car racing is a significant
> >part of racing!

> >--

> How could it "ruin" the simulation?  Even if the damage modelling is
> completely unacceptable, if you don't wreck it is not in any way
> effecting your driving experience.  (Unless you wreck every race).

> Sure, you might miss the detailed wrinkles in your fenders at
> Martinsville, but at a short track the effects of minor damage are not
> going to be nearly as significant anyway.  The tracks it matters most
> at, the fast tracks, are the ones  where you're very unlikely to
> suffer any contact with other cars.

Dave Henri

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by Dave Henri » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:21:48

  But not ones that have barrel-rolled down the backstretch.  I think that
is his point.
dave henrie


> PLENTY of damaged cars have won Nascar Races.  You must not watch them
all.

> -Larry



> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:58:41 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> > >  Lol, swing and a miss<G>  Whether you wreck or not isn't the problem.
> > >It's when others wreck you and/or themselves too, go into the pits for
> > >repairs, and come out turning the best laps of the race after the
wreck.

> > >  What you say below has nothing to do with the problem.

> > >-John

> > I've never seen a car in NASCAR 4 get wrecked, pit, come out after
> > repairs and win the race.  If they are running the best times they're
> > running them 3 laps down so again, how does that theoretical flaw ruin
> > your driving experience?

> > Secondly, my experience is that after wrecking and repairing a car it
> > generally is slower, not faster, often the engine will not generate
> > its full rpms if you've taken a*** to the front; if you've been hit
> > in the back you lose downforce and have a hard time maintaining
> > control in the turns.

John Pancoas

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by John Pancoas » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:44:56

  Thank you Dave.  I must admit, I didn't present my "case" very well<G>

-John


meettonysopra

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by meettonysopra » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:01:51

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:10:51 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"


>PLENTY of damaged cars have won Nascar Races.  You must not watch them all.

It is difficult to imagine how you could have reached the conclusion
that we were discussing the results of real life NASCAR events
considering the repeated mention of "NASCAR 4" and that Papyrus is in
the name of this thread.  Nonetheless let me clarify for you:  we are
discussing the computer game "NASCAR 4" published by Papyrus in which
the player drives a stock car in competition against the AI or other
human players, not about the actual sport that we watch Sunday
mornings on television.
meettonysopra

What is Papy Up To These Days?

by meettonysopra » Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:04:09

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:09:58 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"


>meettonysoprano,

>You must not race on WON :)

Yeah, I race there quite a lot (or the "Papy Servers" as I am used to
calling them.)  I see a lot of wrecking but I never to my knowledge
have seen someone who pitted to get damage repaired go on to win a
race.  (Having pitted for that purpose plenty of times myself I know
that you end up several laps down due to the lack of yellow flags).

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