rec.autos.simulators

by **Jussi 'Igor' Koukk** » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 20:42:56

I had some trouble getting GPL to work in Win2k... no matter how I installed
the game or what patches I applied, it always crashed to the desktop.

I also had Win98 with GPL (1.2 patch, no-cd patch, and glide2x patch 'cause
I had a Voodoo3 card) on my machine at that time, so as a last resort I
launched the gpl.exe from Win98 partition in Win2k... and it worked! Then
after a while I noticed that I didn't need the Win98 anymore, so I removed
it and converted it's partition from FAT32 to NTFS. Next time I started GPL,
it crashed back to the desktop. I had to make a small FAT32 partition just
to get GPL to work... doesn't really matter, long as it works :)

Changing the display card to TNT2 (and installing the D3D patch for GPL)
didn't make any difference... GPL worked fine no matter which Detonator
driver version I used. I recently upgraded to WinXP, and GPL is still
working :)

- Igor -

by **Scott A** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 06:28:19

Hmm, that's the exact same problem and solution for me.

Can anyone explain this?

Scott A.

by **STP** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:44:17

XP has better games support. Any gamer buying Win2K over XP is making a
mistake.

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:57:36

>> That's right, I sure don't want to be making any "can't get this and
>> that running on XP" posts. Drivers for Win 2000 *used* to be a big
>> issue, not anymore though. And now that all the bugs have been ironed
>> out, I'm ready for the plunge <g>

>XP has better games support. Any gamer buying Win2K over XP is making a
>mistake.

As long as everything runs perfectly under Win98SE, I don't see any
reason to 'upgrade' to W2K or Win XP..
or am I missing something really cool if I don't?

Andre

by **Spadge Fromle** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:13:03

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:24:16 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"

>Its the old, wait until a new OS comes out and get the previous one,
>strategy. It means that you can be pretty sure that the problems with an
>O/S are ironed out before you make the plunge. Not a bad strategy if you
>are worried about stability IMO (usually).

>Ash

Current-1 is a good idea, unless the company who makes your OS has a
reputation for not supporting anything over a year old.

XP is running quite stably here. The only issue I have with it is
things like CL's ***y drivers. What is Devldr, and why is it
included in a driver set for an OS it won't work in?

--
Spadge Fromley
''collect your rubbsih
and in my belly it will go ...''

by **Spadge Fromle** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:17:03

>or am I missing something really cool if I don't?

Ongoing support?

;-)

--
Spadge Fromley
''collect your rubbsih
and in my belly it will go ...''

by **Ian Campbel** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:20:05

I also had this problem with my machine but it behaved somewhat differently.
I originally had the game installed under my W2K boot and it worked fine.
One day I tried to start (no system changes that I can recall), and it just
wouldn't start. Same symptoms. One second of splash the first time starting,
then not even that on subsequent attempts. I began by deleting (AHHH) the
whole works and doing a full install off the CD. No go. I then began
installing the patches etc. just to see what the hell would happen, and
suddenly it just started working again. I didn't get a determination of
exactly the change that caused it, but essentially I think it was a
combination of the new D3D patch and the 1.2.01 patch that made the
difference.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe that there are actually two
different versions of the D3D patch, and the newer of the two actually has
and install routine, whereas the older has the files contained within a zip.
Also, did you do the full install off the CD and let it register itself etc,
or just copy \gpl off the CD? Another pet theory (untested of course) is
that actually going through the install and having the registry changes
occur may have some positive effect in W2k, although God knows it ran fine
without this in W98...

Anyway, that's my strange story, and it continues to work to this day, even
after I've installed 15 tracks, carsets, utilities, and everything else
under the sun. I was so nervous about having to duplicate all that work at
some future point that finally I just burned a CD of my \GPL directory in
situ with all modificiations in place so it would be an easy restore should
the worst happen.

For the record, my system specs:

PIII800, 384 MB, W2k Server SP2, DX8a, TNT2 running Detonator 2183, SB Live
5.1 X-Gamer, and NTFS partitions.

> > I can't believe it I spent most of yesterday trying to nut this out.

> > It starts to load, shows me the splash screen for .5 second then crashes
> > back to the desktop.
> > Patched to 1.2 and all the latest drivers on my Celeron 500 MSI BX board
> 192
> > meg of memory and TNT2. OS is Win2k SP2 and IE6, I do have a lot of
> software
> > loaded and every bit works fine except this GPL!

> I just replied to one of your questions concerning NTFS and I just notice
> that your using a TNT2 video card. Is that an Ultra or original TNT2.
Could
> be a driver issue.
> Only reason I say this, I have a Windows98 comp with a TNT2 Ultra and it
> hates the new 12.83 drivers. I had to go back to 7.52's to get a stable
> system. Seems older cards like older drivers than the new ones. I
understand
> your running W2k, but have you tried different drivers? Could be same
thing.

> Anthony

by **Scott A** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 06:58:49

Stability?

Scott A.

> >> That's right, I sure don't want to be making any "can't get this and
> >> that running on XP" posts. Drivers for Win 2000 *used* to be a big
> >> issue, not anymore though. And now that all the bugs have been ironed
> >> out, I'm ready for the plunge <g>

> >XP has better games support. Any gamer buying Win2K over XP is making a
> >mistake.

> As long as everything runs perfectly under Win98SE, I don't see any
> reason to 'upgrade' to W2K or Win XP..
> or am I missing something really cool if I don't?

> Andre

by **Scott A** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:04:32

When you installed Win2k did you do an upgrade from win98 or a fresh install
with a blank disk?

I'm betting you did an upgrade and converted your fat32 to NTFS.

I think if you install from the boot disks (or boot from cd) and set up the
NTFS partition from there then you get problems.

Scott A.

> I also had this problem with my machine but it behaved somewhat
differently.
> I originally had the game installed under my W2K boot and it worked fine.
> One day I tried to start (no system changes that I can recall), and it
just
> wouldn't start. Same symptoms. One second of splash the first time
starting,
> then not even that on subsequent attempts. I began by deleting (AHHH) the
> whole works and doing a full install off the CD. No go. I then began
> installing the patches etc. just to see what the hell would happen, and
> suddenly it just started working again. I didn't get a determination of
> exactly the change that caused it, but essentially I think it was a
> combination of the new D3D patch and the 1.2.01 patch that made the
> difference.

> Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe that there are actually two
> different versions of the D3D patch, and the newer of the two actually has
> and install routine, whereas the older has the files contained within a
zip.
> Also, did you do the full install off the CD and let it register itself
etc,
> or just copy \gpl off the CD? Another pet theory (untested of course) is
> that actually going through the install and having the registry changes
> occur may have some positive effect in W2k, although God knows it ran fine
> without this in W98...

> Anyway, that's my strange story, and it continues to work to this day,
even
> after I've installed 15 tracks, carsets, utilities, and everything else
> under the sun. I was so nervous about having to duplicate all that work at
> some future point that finally I just burned a CD of my \GPL directory in
> situ with all modificiations in place so it would be an easy restore
should
> the worst happen.

> For the record, my system specs:

> PIII800, 384 MB, W2k Server SP2, DX8a, TNT2 running Detonator 2183, SB
Live
> 5.1 X-Gamer, and NTFS partitions.

> > > I can't believe it I spent most of yesterday trying to nut this out.

> > > It starts to load, shows me the splash screen for .5 second then
crashes
> > > back to the desktop.
> > > Patched to 1.2 and all the latest drivers on my Celeron 500 MSI BX
board
> > 192
> > > meg of memory and TNT2. OS is Win2k SP2 and IE6, I do have a lot of
> > software
> > > loaded and every bit works fine except this GPL!

> > I just replied to one of your questions concerning NTFS and I just
notice
> > that your using a TNT2 video card. Is that an Ultra or original TNT2.
> Could
> > be a driver issue.
> > Only reason I say this, I have a Windows98 comp with a TNT2 Ultra and it
> > hates the new 12.83 drivers. I had to go back to 7.52's to get a stable
> > system. Seems older cards like older drivers than the new ones. I
> understand
> > your running W2k, but have you tried different drivers? Could be same
> thing.

> > Anthony

by **Rafe McAulif** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:13:15

True, but Andre said "as long as everything runs fine". I had the same
situation till 2 weeks ago :( Then Windows went noo-nah, so it's
*another* fresh install.

Rafe Mc

by **Ian Campbel** » Sun, 11 Nov 2001 03:24:15

You're correct Scott. I originally had a dual boot machine with W98 and W2K
and FAT32. After seeing that GPL still ran (semi) correctly under W2K, I
deleted the \windows directory (God did that feel great) off the machine and
converted to NTFS. GPL still worked after doing so, but then quit later...

> When you installed Win2k did you do an upgrade from win98 or a fresh
install
> with a blank disk?

> I'm betting you did an upgrade and converted your fat32 to NTFS.

> I think if you install from the boot disks (or boot from cd) and set up
the
> NTFS partition from there then you get problems.

> Scott A.

> > I also had this problem with my machine but it behaved somewhat
> differently.
> > I originally had the game installed under my W2K boot and it worked
fine.
> > One day I tried to start (no system changes that I can recall), and it
> just
> > wouldn't start. Same symptoms. One second of splash the first time
> starting,
> > then not even that on subsequent attempts. I began by deleting (AHHH)
the
> > whole works and doing a full install off the CD. No go. I then began
> > installing the patches etc. just to see what the hell would happen, and
> > suddenly it just started working again. I didn't get a determination of
> > exactly the change that caused it, but essentially I think it was a
> > combination of the new D3D patch and the 1.2.01 patch that made the
> > difference.

> > Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe that there are actually
two
> > different versions of the D3D patch, and the newer of the two actually
has
> > and install routine, whereas the older has the files contained within a
> zip.
> > Also, did you do the full install off the CD and let it register itself
> etc,
> > or just copy \gpl off the CD? Another pet theory (untested of course) is
> > that actually going through the install and having the registry changes
> > occur may have some positive effect in W2k, although God knows it ran
fine
> > without this in W98...

> > Anyway, that's my strange story, and it continues to work to this day,
> even
> > after I've installed 15 tracks, carsets, utilities, and everything else
> > under the sun. I was so nervous about having to duplicate all that work
at
> > some future point that finally I just burned a CD of my \GPL directory
in
> > situ with all modificiations in place so it would be an easy restore
> should
> > the worst happen.

> > For the record, my system specs:

> > PIII800, 384 MB, W2k Server SP2, DX8a, TNT2 running Detonator 2183, SB
> Live
> > 5.1 X-Gamer, and NTFS partitions.

> > > > I can't believe it I spent most of yesterday trying to nut this out.

> > > > It starts to load, shows me the splash screen for .5 second then
> crashes
> > > > back to the desktop.
> > > > Patched to 1.2 and all the latest drivers on my Celeron 500 MSI BX
> board
> > > 192
> > > > meg of memory and TNT2. OS is Win2k SP2 and IE6, I do have a lot of
> > > software
> > > > loaded and every bit works fine except this GPL!

> > > I just replied to one of your questions concerning NTFS and I just
> notice
> > > that your using a TNT2 video card. Is that an Ultra or original TNT2.
> > Could
> > > be a driver issue.
> > > Only reason I say this, I have a Windows98 comp with a TNT2 Ultra and
it
> > > hates the new 12.83 drivers. I had to go back to 7.52's to get a
stable
> > > system. Seems older cards like older drivers than the new ones. I
> > understand
> > > your running W2k, but have you tried different drivers? Could be same
> > thing.

> > > Anthony

by **STP** » Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:15:02

Yes, better stability and far better memory management.

by **Rodne** » Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:56:33

> > As long as everything runs perfectly under Win98SE, I don't see any
> > reason to 'upgrade' to W2K or Win XP..
> > or am I missing something really cool if I don't?

> > Andre

> Yes, better stability and far better memory management.

No way could I under any circumstances recommend Windows 2000!!!!!!
Nost gamse I own do not work. Most software, drivers are not campatible, all
this leads to a situation where much of my hardware is either not compatible
with 2000 or if it is the software is not rendering it uselss.....

This upgrade has cost me some major amounts of mopney and if tehre was any
way to go back to Windows 98 I would.

Besides the above, it is nowhere near as stable on my system ws W98 was, it
crashes constantly... regularly stutters and pauses between opperations
.i.e VERY bad memory management...
I can't speak for everony here but I find NOTHING has improved my system
from when it ran W98 and in a lot of cases is now worse.

by **Eldre** » Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:22:04

>> As long as everything runs perfectly under Win98SE, I don't see any
>> reason to 'upgrade' to W2K or Win XP..
>> or am I missing something really cool if I don't?

>> Andre

>Yes, better stability and far better memory management.

Well, he *did* say "as long as everything runs perfectly under Win98SE"... In
other words, what's the "must have" feature of win2k or XP?
I haven't seen anything that makes me want to run out and plunk down my dollars
yet.

Eldred
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by **STP** » Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:16:52

Then don't. No one is trying to twist your arm and make you use XP. There
was no real good reason to upgrade from Dos6.0 to 6.22, but I did anyway.
Did it make my games run better? Nope. And as for the guy ranting in the
above post about bad memory mangement under Win2K and how unstable it is and
none of his games run, etc. I just have to wonder what kind of equipment he
is using and/or what kind(s) of drug(s) he is on. I installed XP on my
machine and the only thing I had to provide a driver for was my Santa Cruz
soundcard. Oh, and i ahd a spot of trouble with a joystick, but apart form
that it has been rock solid for me. Every game I have tried so far has run
fine.

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