rec.autos.simulators

by **Jeff Y. L** » Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:00:00

dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

by **ku..** » Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
>don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
>starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
>set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
>that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
>are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

Maybe it is a sign that you aren't a good driver and/or good at setting up
your car!!
And hey if you don't like all the different things to change in your setup,
then you maybe should play OUTRUN again, sounds like a perfect game for you.
Put some time in the game and practice, it's defenitly worth the time!

Walter

by **Maurice v/d Zwaa** » Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
> don't you think.

Have you watched real F1 for the last two years ???

Currently Goodyear decides which tyre compounds they bring to a grand prix
and the teams can choose from these. Almost all races Goodyear brings just
two compounds, slicks (of one certain type) and rain tyres.

I've noticed that the control method you choose is of major importance to
your time. E.g. using automatic breaking will cost you about 2 seconds a
lap. Automatic shifting will also lose you a number of seconds. Best way to
drive is with all these automatic helps of using a steer & pedals.

I recently downloaded a setup from the Internet, and drove an almost
perfect lap with it. Still I was 3 seconds slower than the creator of the
setup. The main reason : I use a keyboard, automatic shifting, and traction
control and he did not.

Maurice van der Zwaan

by **Richard Walk** » Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
>don't you think.

OK, let's repeat it one more time <sigh>:

Goodyear only bring one compound to F1 races and have done so for the
past few seasons. Hence, there is no choice in GP2 as in real life.

Special qualifying compounds were banned from F1, so you don't have
the option of those either.

Happy now?

Richard

by **TOBY BRANFO** » Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:00:00

JL> about dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds?
JL> Kinda basic don't you think.

Jeff

Don't know if this is being said by loads of others, but tire compounds
in F1 AREN'T basic, they aren't relevant.

In the series, Goodyear provides all the tires. At each race they
provide only one type of tire.....for all teams, for racing,practice or
qualifying.....all the same. It may be that at Monaco (say) this is
different from (say) Silverstone, but that's irrelevant. In the real
situation there's no choice of tire compound - so why should there be in
the sim?

As for the too-hard aspect.....I'm not getting close to the great times
being posted (never did with F1GP either) or the records.....but this
doesn't make the game any less enjoyable for me. Just drive, race, or
whatever! Have fun!!!

Cheers!

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by **'John' Joao Sil** » Thu, 15 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
>don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
>starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
>set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
>that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
>are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

Well, it looks like we need to come up with a GP2 FAQ or something soon.

The different tire compounds are not in GP2 because they are not in real
Formula 1 anymore. Goodyear only brings one tyre compound to each race
and distributes that to all the teams.

As far as all the advanced adjustments, they are there for a reason,
so that you can tweak your car enough to keep up and even win against the
higher level computer oponents.

If you don't want to use them, that is fine, just race at the lower
difficulty levels like Rookie or Amateur and turn off auto-braking.
With a bit of practice you should start winning races pretty soon.

Personally I started with the default setups racing in Rookie mode,
when I beat that I switched to Amateur mode, turned off all the aids
except the dotted driving line and started tweaking the setups.

When I won at Amateur I moved up to semi-pro and now race with no aids at all.
Last night I came in 4th on a 100% race at Monza. With a bit more practice
I will be ready to move up to pro.

No sense in raising the difficulty level and then getting frustrated by not
winning, just keep it nice and easy until you get more comfortable with
the game and you will have a lot more fun.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

--John
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http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva
Seattle, Washington USA.

by **Henrik Mon** » Thu, 15 Aug 1996 04:00:00

On Aug 13, 1996 19:59:00 in article <Re: GP2 is impossible>,

>JL> about dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds?
>JL> Kinda basic don't you think.

>Jeff

>Don't know if this is being said by loads of others, but tire compounds
>in F1 AREN'T basic, they aren't relevant.

>In the series, Goodyear provides all the tires. At each race they
>provide only one type of tire.....for all teams, for racing,practice or
>qualifying.....all the same. It may be that at Monaco (say) this is
>different from (say) Silverstone, but that's irrelevant. In the real
>situation there's no choice of tire compound - so why should there be in
>the sim?

>As for the too-hard aspect.....I'm not getting close to the great times
>being posted (never did with F1GP either) or the records.....but this
>doesn't make the game any less enjoyable for me. Just drive, race, or
>whatever! Have fun!!!

>Cheers!

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Finally somebody actually puts an end to that thread :-)

[Henrik Monti]
[IndyBound Karting]
[F1-Kart Speedway Miami, FL]
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by **Terje Wold Johans** » Thu, 15 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
> don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
> starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
> set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
> that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
> are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

Given that you are off the pace whatever you do, you ought
emphasize more on your driving than the setup. First get
your driving up to par, ie drive the same setup until you
start improving you lap times by a great margin, then start
fiddling with the basic setup screen and later as your lap
times continue to improve start tinkering with the advanced
sections of the setup.

Do not expect that a relatively realistic simulator
is easy to handle. Generally I would say that
the steepness of the learning curve is proportional to
the amount of realism that the simulator offers.

On the other hand, if you are not interested in realism
but would like to drive around the F1 circuits, why
not turn on all helping aids in GP2, or buy yourself a
PlayStation.

--
--- Terje Wold Johansen

--- http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjjo/
--- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.

by **Joris D inhuurkrac** » Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:00:00

:
: I've noticed that the control method you choose is of major importance to
: your time. E.g. using automatic breaking will cost you about 2 seconds a
: lap. Automatic shifting will also lose you a number of seconds. Best way to
: drive is with all these automatic helps of using a steer & pedals.
:
: I recently downloaded a setup from the Internet, and drove an almost
: perfect lap with it. Still I was 3 seconds slower than the creator of the
: setup. The main reason : I use a keyboard, automatic shifting, and traction
: control and he did not.

I agree, but I always use these automaitic helpers when setting up the
car. It helps to give me consistent laptimes with the same setup.
There's too much I can do wrong and***up my lap, so a helping hand
is welcome.

:
:
: Maurice van der Zwaan
:

-Dennis.
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by **Greg Cis** » Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
>don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
>starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
>set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
>that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
>are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

Nope. It could be a sign that the real problem is in the way you drive,
not the way the car is setup. Why do you think the problem *must* be the
programers & not your driving? I know a 12 year old that got a 1:57 at
Spa. He seems to be doing OK. Quit blaming others for your problems :-)

by **Markus Morphin** » Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:00:00

You are the one who is not able to get good.

The simulation relates to 1994 season and the teams had to use the tyres
GoodYear gave them.

Which level do you play? Are you three or more seconds off pace on Ace or Pro level
or on Rookie level? In the latter case you will mess around not hours, but days to come
close to AI cars in the higher levels. You see, GPII is worth the money you've paid for it.

That's it. I'm within one second to AI cars on Pro level without doing anything
in advanced setup menu and there are still enough possibilities to improve on track
without changing setup.

Bye
Markus

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http://rphc1.physik.uni-regensburg.de:80/~scm04312/F1.html
http://rphc1.physik.uni-regensburg.de:80/~scm04312/Frentzen.html

by **Chris Lindro** » Sun, 18 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
>don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
>starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
>set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
>that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
>are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

So what do you want? GP2 is closer than its predecessor to being a
real simulation. If you want arcade driving get NFS or something
similar or drive GP2 at rookie level with all the driver aids turned
on.

Try experimenting with a basic setup and work out for yourself what
each major variable does (eg. wings, suspension (also read the manual
(RTFM!)). Then when you get the gist of it you should be able to
examine a track configuration and get a rough idea of the car setup.
Within 1 to 2 hours of constant practise you should be able to set a
competitive qualifying time at the level you're driving at.

P.S. Don't bother with the "minor" car settings (rebound, packers
etc.) until you have a good idea of how to setup a car first.

Dont' give up. It's worth the effort.

Chris

by AK » Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
>don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
>starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
>set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
>that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
>are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???

No..., it's a sign that you don't know what the hell you're doin' !

by **Anthony Kuli** » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> >Is it me, or is GP2 impossible to get good at.

I was just as frustrated as you when I bought the game. The problem is that the
simulation is great. Possibly better than ICR2 after the patch. Time will tell. If it
was easy than what fun would it be? It's like a good adventure game. If it took an hour
to figure out you'd say it was a waste of money. Once you find the best set-up in the
basic mode then you go to the advanced stage,etc. It's a simulation not an arcade game.
I've spent hours setting up my car for Imola finally getting my time down to 1:21:000.
Then I visit some sites only to find someone who's done it in 1:20:000.

Invest the time and enjoy.

by **Jochen Heisterma** » Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:00:00

:

: >dampers and roll bars, when they took out tire compounds? Kinda basic
: >don't you think. Does anyone have more detailed info on visiware's
: >starting grid, I think I'll wait for that and compare. Is there anyway to
: >set up your car competatively without messing with the suspension and all
: >that crap, who cares? When you mess around with it for hours, and still
: >are three to four seconds off pace, is that sign the game is too hard???
: >
I think people deal to much with the car setups. I don't change very much and
practise the courses. This is way enough to win races on the first three
difficulty settings. If one is good enough to master each course, one should
go further into car setup.

This game will last long, BECAUSE it is as difficult as I wish, so I have
always competition.

Jochen
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