rec.autos.simulators

by **Sundow** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:33:40

On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised that
Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car was
"fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering what
happened here in February."

Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with the
outcome? What do you guys think?

Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think he was
forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black flag
just like he did.

by **Eddie Petti** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:43:44

I'd have DQ's Stewart for not answering the black flag, it's not like it's
optional. The rule is black and white, it doesn't state, "If you think you
are right...".

by **Don Burnett** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:47:29

No ***, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication, and
heart to win - with the help of a great car.

I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him but seeing
the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line.

Don Burnette

by **Larr** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:54:37

Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins another
race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him.

There is no question that Dale Jr. had the *** car all night long. You
don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules,
without being damned strong.

A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates is
what won the race.

Not some "***".

Sheesh...

-Larry

by **chainbreake** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:52:38

Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor plate
with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just might be
possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4 throttle.

That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any particular
driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which I'm
absolutely sure they didn't.

After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR race
as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
even-handedly they apply the rules.

Jerry Morelock

by **Jesse Blac** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:28:28

Larry...LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. NASCAR might not have setup his win...but
I think the other drivers wanted him to win. Read my post above...you seem
very sheltered in your views. You don't think there is a reason why no one
would draft past him to take over the lead? I think just about every driver
on the track wanted Dale to win that race...sure some were driving for their
Million dollars...but mostly they just wanted to help out the son of their
lost friend. Dale's car was strong...but with the current rules, no car is
THAT strong...able to lead 3/4 of the laps with no real threats...so like I
said, maybe not a Nascar consispiracy, but I think it was just friends doing
a favor.

JB

> Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins another
> race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him.

> There is no question that Dale Jr. had the *** car all night long.
You
> don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules,
> without being damned strong.

> A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates is
> what won the race.

> Not some "***".

> Sheesh...

> -Larry

> > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
that
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
was
> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> what
> > happened here in February."

> > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with
> the
> > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think he
> was
> > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black
flag
> > just like he did.

by **Jesse Blac** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:30:25

I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field. I
have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull
away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at
least need a few buddies to go with you.

JB

> > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
that
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
was
> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> what
> > happened here in February."

> > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with
> the
> > outcome? What do you guys think?

> Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor plate
> with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just might
be
> possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4
throttle.

> That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any
particular
> driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which
I'm
> absolutely sure they didn't.

> After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR
race
> as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
> even-handedly they apply the rules.

> Jerry Morelock

by **Scott B. Huste** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:39:30

I too think Tony was forced below the line. I dislike Tony and his tirade
afterwards is exactly WHY I dislike Tony and his spoiled brat attitude. The
problem was he ignored the black flag and whether you agree with it or not,
they stop scoring you.

He is digging himself a hole as he was already on probation when he had to
be restrained from Gary Nelson and then knocking a tape recorder from a
reporters hand and kicking it. If I were the reporter, I would have decked

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> No ***, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication, and
> heart to win - with the help of a great car.

> I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him but seeing
> the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line.

> Don Burnette

> > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
that
> > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
was
> > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> what
> > happened here in February."

> > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do with
> the
> > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think he
> was
> > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black
flag
> > just like he did.

by **Eddie Petti** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:44:00

He wasn't really pulling away in the manner in which you think... He was
getting a lead coming through the turns and onto the straights (just a car
length or two), this would allow the cars behind him a chance to run up
through his draft (in clean air) before needing to move out into dirty air.
If he backed off they wouldn't be able to get the run as stated above and
would have to immediately go into dirty air. That would slow them and allow
other drivers farther back a chance to move into Jr's line making passing
him quite hard.

> I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
> allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field.
I
> have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull
> away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at
> least need a few buddies to go with you.

> JB

> > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
> that
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
> was
> > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> > what
> > > happened here in February."

> > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor
plate
> > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just
might
> be
> > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4
> throttle.

> > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any
> particular
> > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which
> I'm
> > absolutely sure they didn't.

> > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR
> race
> > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
> > even-handedly they apply the rules.

> > Jerry Morelock

by **Larr** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:43:18

Actually, it's simple drafting...

It's easy to get pushed out ahead. But if you get _too_ far ahead, the
train WILL mow you down eventually.

It's happened to me quite a few times in N4 where I got too far ahead, and
paid dearly for it before long...

-Larry

> I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
> allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field.
I
> have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily pull
> away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at
> least need a few buddies to go with you.

> JB

> > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
> that
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
> was
> > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> > what
> > > happened here in February."

> > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor
plate
> > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just
might
> be
> > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4
> throttle.

> > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any
> particular
> > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race. Which
> I'm
> > absolutely sure they didn't.

> > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR
> race
> > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
> > even-handedly they apply the rules.

> > Jerry Morelock

by **Larr** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:44:27

Jesse, I understand the big picture. You DON'T have to keep saying that
same thing.

I cannot believe that so many people want to write off this young man's win
of a lifetime to some sort of ***.

It's pathetic.

-Larry

> Larry...LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. NASCAR might not have setup his
win...but
> I think the other drivers wanted him to win. Read my post above...you
seem
> very sheltered in your views. You don't think there is a reason why no
one
> would draft past him to take over the lead? I think just about every
driver
> on the track wanted Dale to win that race...sure some were driving for
their
> Million dollars...but mostly they just wanted to help out the son of their
> lost friend. Dale's car was strong...but with the current rules, no car
is
> THAT strong...able to lead 3/4 of the laps with no real threats...so like
I
> said, maybe not a Nascar consispiracy, but I think it was just friends
doing
> a favor.

> JB

> > Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins
another
> > race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him.

> > There is no question that Dale Jr. had the *** car all night long.
> You
> > don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules,
> > without being damned strong.

> > A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates
is
> > what won the race.

> > Not some "***".

> > Sheesh...

> > -Larry

> > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
> that
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
> was
> > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> > what
> > > happened here in February."

> > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think
he
> > was
> > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black
> flag
> > > just like he did.

by **Larr** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:45:41

Agreed :)

-Larry

> I too think Tony was forced below the line. I dislike Tony and his tirade
> afterwards is exactly WHY I dislike Tony and his spoiled brat attitude.
The
> problem was he ignored the black flag and whether you agree with it or
not,
> they stop scoring you.

> He is digging himself a hole as he was already on probation when he had to
> be restrained from Gary Nelson and then knocking a tape recorder from a
> reporters hand and kicking it. If I were the reporter, I would have
decked

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > No ***, just a boy who had the commitment, desire, dedication,
and
> > heart to win - with the help of a great car.

> > I thought Stewart's black flag was wrong, I don't care for him but
seeing
> > the replay he had no choice but to go below the yellow line.

> > Don Burnette

> > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not surprised
> that
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8 car
> was
> > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he wasn't
> > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400), considering
> > what
> > > happened here in February."

> > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do
with
> > the
> > > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I think
he
> > was
> > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the black
> flag
> > > just like he did.

by **Larr** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:46:27

He played the draft superbly. He really did...

-Larry

> He wasn't really pulling away in the manner in which you think... He was
> getting a lead coming through the turns and onto the straights (just a car
> length or two), this would allow the cars behind him a chance to run up
> through his draft (in clean air) before needing to move out into dirty
air.
> If he backed off they wouldn't be able to get the run as stated above and
> would have to immediately go into dirty air. That would slow them and
allow
> other drivers farther back a chance to move into Jr's line making passing
> him quite hard.

> > I was wondering about that comment they made on the radio how he wasn't
> > allowed to use full throttle because he was pulling away from the field.
> I
> > have never seen a dega or daytona race where the leader could easily
pull
> > away from the other drivers...Just doesn't seem right...normally you at
> > least need a few buddies to go with you.

> > JB

> > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not
surprised
> > that
> > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8
car
> > was
> > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he
wasn't
> > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400),
considering
> > > what
> > > > happened here in February."

> > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do
> with
> > > the
> > > > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > > Well, I suppose if someone just happened to get issued a restrictor
> plate
> > > with, say slightly larger openings than everyone else, then it just
> might
> > be
> > > possible to stay out front just about all the race using only 3/4
> > throttle.

> > > That is, if NASCAR had any particular interest in seeing that any
> > particular
> > > driver had any particular advantage during that particular race.
Which
> > I'm
> > > absolutely sure they didn't.

> > > After all, it'd be damn near impossible to fix the outcome of a NASCAR
> > race
> > > as tight as NASCAR's controls and inspections are, and with how
> > > even-handedly they apply the rules.

> > > Jerry Morelock

by **Jesse Blac** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:36:21

You said your response twice...but I didn't hold you to saying the same
thing. I think DE is a great driver and I don't think he could have won the
race without a great car, no doubt...but I PERSONALLY don't feel that the
other guys were pushing to beat DE as much as they would in any other race.

JB

> Jesse, I understand the big picture. You DON'T have to keep saying that
> same thing.

> I cannot believe that so many people want to write off this young man's
win
> of a lifetime to some sort of ***.

> It's pathetic.

> -Larry

> > Larry...LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. NASCAR might not have setup his
> win...but
> > I think the other drivers wanted him to win. Read my post above...you
> seem
> > very sheltered in your views. You don't think there is a reason why no
> one
> > would draft past him to take over the lead? I think just about every
> driver
> > on the track wanted Dale to win that race...sure some were driving for
> their
> > Million dollars...but mostly they just wanted to help out the son of
their
> > lost friend. Dale's car was strong...but with the current rules, no car
> is
> > THAT strong...able to lead 3/4 of the laps with no real threats...so
like
> I
> > said, maybe not a Nascar consispiracy, but I think it was just friends
> doing
> > a favor.

> > JB

> > > Jimmy Spencer is a sore loser. I could care less if he ever wins
> another
> > > race. I have lost ALL respect I ever had for him.

> > > There is no question that Dale Jr. had the *** car all night
long.
> > You
> > > don't lead 3/4 of the laps at Daytona, especially with today's rules,
> > > without being damned strong.

> > > A first-rate car, great crew, and a little support from his team mates
> is
> > > what won the race.

> > > Not some "***".

> > > Sheesh...

> > > -Larry

> > > > On SportsCenter this morning, Jimmy Spencer said he was not
surprised
> > that
> > > > Dale Earnhardt, Jr., won the Pepsi 400. Though he said that the #8
car
> > was
> > > > "fast here in February and in practice," he also said that "he
wasn't
> > > > surprised that (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.), won (the Pepsi 400),
considering
> > > what
> > > > happened here in February."

> > > > Could he be implying that he thinks that NASCAR had something to do
> with
> > > the
> > > > outcome? What do you guys think?

> > > > Also, what do you think about the black flag to Tony Stewart? I
think
> he
> > > was
> > > > forced down below the yellow line, and I would have ignored the
black
> > flag
> > > > just like he did.

by **Jeff Vince** » Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:59:32

>Jesse, I understand the big picture. You DON'T have to keep saying that
>same thing.

>I cannot believe that so many people want to write off this young man's win
>of a lifetime to some sort of ***.

>It's pathetic.

When you have the secrecy of NASCAR's "investigation" and past
"assistance" they've allegedly given other popular drivers (Richard
Petty's 200th win), unfortunately everything in the world of NASCAR
has to be taken with a grain of salt and a bit of doubt about whether
that really happened the way you think it did.

I'm glad he won and I enjoyed it, but I still have that nagging
doubt. :(

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