> > what happens to F1 when people look at CART and see great racing?
> Dunno, CART always looks like amateur hour to me after watching F1. I can't
> believe how dodgy some of those CART tracks look. Some of them make Monaco
> look good.
> > what happens to F1 when people look at CART and see great racing?
> Dunno, CART always looks like amateur hour to me after watching F1. I can't
> believe how dodgy some of those CART tracks look. Some of them make Monaco
> look good.
> > > Dunno, CART always looks like amateur hour to me after watching F1. I
> can't
> > > believe how dodgy some of those CART tracks look. Some of them make
> Monaco
> > > look good.
> A certain bumpy old concrete airport comes to mind. In general, the street
> circuits look like they were set up by 'racetracks-are-us'
> >> > Dunno, CART always looks like amateur hour to me after watching F1. I
> >can't
> >> > believe how dodgy some of those CART tracks look. Some of them make
> >Monaco
> >> > look good.
> >A certain bumpy old concrete airport comes to mind. In general, the street
> >circuits look like they were set up by 'racetracks-are-us'
> Funny, I think that bumpy old airport is one of the most brilliant racetracks
> of the past twenty years.
No, actually I'm a huge NASCAR fan. I have the utmost respect for the drivers.
The way that they go round and round without falling asleep is truly remarkable.
You didn't see Tony Stewart then after the last race did you? Looked
like he was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.
:)
dave henrie
Cool Hand Luke
-=87=-
-jde
You see in CART the RACING is what matters, not how pretty the
surroundings are. Is that what F1 fans are looking at when they watch the
race and say "WOW, that was a great race". Are they really saying that it
was a good looking spectacle?
I guess I will take a great RACE(with on track passing). No wonder the
parades are tolerated across the big pond, I guess I didn't understand what
you guys were actually looking at. The tracks sure are pretty though!
> > >> > Dunno, CART always looks like amateur hour to me after watching F1.
> I
> > >can't
> > >> > believe how dodgy some of those CART tracks look. Some of them
make
> > >Monaco
> > >> > look good.
> > >A certain bumpy old concrete airport comes to mind. In general, the
> street
> > >circuits look like they were set up by 'racetracks-are-us'
> > Funny, I think that bumpy old airport is one of the most brilliant
> racetracks
> > of the past twenty years.
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Dan Belcher
> Even my wife, who HATES racing, remembers the Cleveland race with
> Jacques and Robbie Gordon driving themselves off the pavement, and Robbie
> cussing on the Radio because Mikey Andrettie Cut his tires with a front
wing
> endplate not ONCE but TWICE!! Ah yes...cleveland is a fine racing
> enviroment.
> But clearly it is not the best the US has to offer. I dare anyone to
find
> a more complete track than Mid Ohio. With it's blind corners, elevation
> changes, fast and slow sections...it is magic(and I'm not talking about
the
> the sim-ports of ICR2)
> Road Atlanta, Road America two fine high speed circuits...Laguna
> is...well home of the Corkscrew, a turn that rivals Eau Rouge in
> complexity(but certainly not in speed)
> I'm not thrilled with most street courses...although for 20 or 30
years
> the course at Long Beach has shown you CAN have racing inside a City. But
I
> would take simple Portland over those Chicaned-Nuetered tracks anyday.
If
> you got rid of that Bastard wiggle at the end of Suzuka, they'd have a
truly
> admirable circut. Monza? (it's a ghost of it's former self) and San
> Marino? With the Senna safety mods, that track is about as exciting as
....
> as ....
> Spa? A truly Classic circuit...magnificent UNTIL you reach the end of
the
> lap...what an absolutely awful way to slow the cars down before the
> grandstands.
> Modern F1 tracks can be summarized by the newer Nurburging. I
watched
> a DTM race there from last season(on the tv, I didn't attend) and the cars
> didn't wiggle, didn't bounce, had barely ANY attitude change while
> negotiating a wide smooth grippy track. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz MAN! Give me
> one of those tiny tiny bumpy Scottish tracks with BTCC touring cars
banging
> away at each other for lap after lap..
> dave henrie
> > > Gents, we have us an F1 ***witnut to play with. :)
> > No, actually I'm a huge NASCAR fan. I have the utmost respect for the
> drivers.
> > The way that they go round and round without falling asleep is truly
> remarkable.
> You didn't see Tony Stewart then after the last race did you? Looked
> like he was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.
> :)
> dave henrie
Besides, racing in circles on appears boring only to the uninformed. Get
into YOUR car, get into a line of gridlock moving 180mph and see how boring
and mundane you think it is. Open wheel diehard fans really can't appreciate
what its like to race wheel to wheel at high speeds for more than the hour
and a half that most open wheel races last, at the safe distance of nose to
tail, in the follow the leader style that is pointy car racing.
>>>>>Dunno, CART always looks like amateur hour to me after watching F1.
> I
>>>can't
>>>>>believe how dodgy some of those CART tracks look. Some of them make
>>>Monaco
>>>>>look good.
>>>A certain bumpy old concrete airport comes to mind. In general, the
> street
>>>circuits look like they were set up by 'racetracks-are-us'
>>Funny, I think that bumpy old airport is one of the most brilliant
> racetracks
>>of the past twenty years.
>>-----------------------------------------
>>Dan Belcher
> Even my wife, who HATES racing, remembers the Cleveland race with
> Jacques and Robbie Gordon driving themselves off the pavement, and Robbie
> cussing on the Radio because Mikey Andrettie Cut his tires with a front wing
> endplate not ONCE but TWICE!! Ah yes...cleveland is a fine racing
> enviroment.
> But clearly it is not the best the US has to offer. I dare anyone to find
> a more complete track than Mid Ohio. With it's blind corners, elevation
> changes, fast and slow sections...it is magic(and I'm not talking about the
> the sim-ports of ICR2)
> Road Atlanta, Road America two fine high speed circuits...Laguna
> is...well home of the Corkscrew, a turn that rivals Eau Rouge in
> complexity(but certainly not in speed)
> I'm not thrilled with most street courses...although for 20 or 30 years
> the course at Long Beach has shown you CAN have racing inside a City. But I
> would take simple Portland over those Chicaned-Nuetered tracks anyday. If
> you got rid of that Bastard wiggle at the end of Suzuka, they'd have a truly
> admirable circut. Monza? (it's a ghost of it's former self) and San
> Marino? With the Senna safety mods, that track is about as exciting as ....
> as ....
> Spa? A truly Classic circuit...magnificent UNTIL you reach the end of the
> lap...what an absolutely awful way to slow the cars down before the
> grandstands.
> Modern F1 tracks can be summarized by the newer Nurburging. I watched
> a DTM race there from last season(on the tv, I didn't attend) and the cars
> didn't wiggle, didn't bounce, had barely ANY attitude change while
> negotiating a wide smooth grippy track. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz MAN! Give me
> one of those tiny tiny bumpy Scottish tracks with BTCC touring cars banging
> away at each other for lap after lap..
> dave henrie
> > A certain bumpy old concrete airport comes to mind. In general, the
> street
> > circuits look like they were set up by 'racetracks-are-us'
> Still better than F1's "Chicanes-are-everywhere"
Take the top six cars in F1 (either the lead driver from the top six
teams, the top 3 team, or the top six from the points standindings) and
put them on a F1 track with the top 6 CART teams (same criteria as
choosing the F1 teams). Run them in a match race. Then take the same 12
cars and drivers and put them on a CART track (probably mid-ohio) THEn
we could see which are the better cars and drivers.
> --
> Colin
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