rec.autos.simulators

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

Pops

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Pops » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I'm looking to buy a FF wheel and am wondering how important it is to be
able to have the throttle and brake on a separate axis.  Some reviewers make
an issue of it - most don't even mention it?  Thanks!
Ronald Stoeh

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Ronald Stoeh » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


> I'm looking to buy a FF wheel and am wondering how important it is to be
> able to have the throttle and brake on a separate axis.  Some reviewers make
> an issue of it - most don't even mention it?  Thanks!

It's a "must have" for GPL and MGPR, I would like to have it in all
other racing
games for not having to switch joystick configurations. As switching
configs using
the MS FF wheel is real easy, this is not so important anymore.

l8er
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Michael E. Carve

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


% I'm looking to buy a FF wheel and am wondering how important it is to be
% able to have the throttle and brake on a separate axis.  Some reviewers make
% an issue of it - most don't even mention it?  Thanks!

As auto simulations become more sophisticated in their physics engines,
I feel that having the throttle and brake on separate axes is a #1
issue.

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Jason Mond

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Jason Mond » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

It's only an issue if you like to trail-brake.

I have a normal T2 and it works just fine.  The work required
to convert to split axis and possibly gain 1 sec aren't worth
it to me.

However, if your buying a new wheel -- I would get the
switchable split-axis wheel :)

Jason.


> I'm looking to buy a FF wheel and am wondering how important it is to be
> able to have the throttle and brake on a separate axis.  Some reviewers make
> an issue of it - most don't even mention it?  Thanks!

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Pat Dotso

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Pat Dotso » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00



> % I'm looking to buy a FF wheel and am wondering how important it is to be
> % able to have the throttle and brake on a separate axis.  Some reviewers make
> % an issue of it - most don't even mention it?  Thanks!

> As auto simulations become more sophisticated in their physics engines,
> I feel that having the throttle and brake on separate axes is a #1
> issue.

Exactly.  Last night I used a borrowed TSW wheel for the first time.  It
has non-configurable single axis pedals.  I've been using split axis
pedals for over a year.  

GPL is very difficult without split axis pedals.  I really didn't
realize
how much the throttle helps stabilize the car during weight transfer.
It was tough to keep the car from spinning without being able to blip
the throttle.

I think anyone who is driving GPL without split-axis pedals is
handicapping themselves greatly.

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Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

'John' Joao Sil

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by 'John' Joao Sil » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Very very important for games like GPL that have realistic physics, in
GPL, split pedals are a huge help especially for stopping spins, you
can be applying front brakes to the point of almost locking, when the
back end starts to slide and come around a nice throttle blip makes
the wheels catch and voila! no spin... Thats one of the examples, I've
also found it very useful in controlling the car when sliding on the
grass and also to allow left foot braking through turns like T1 at Rouen
where you can go through there in 4th with almost full throttle if you
do a bit of left foot braking...

What it boils down to is if you are getting a *new* wheel, split axis
should be one of your priorities if you plan to drive realistic sims,
for people with older wheels like my T2 it *might* not be worth all the
work to go through and modify them for split pedals, but for me personally
I am definitely glad I did rewire the T2 pedals for split-axis, I trail brake
a lot and since I used to repair avionic radios for a living, a little bit
of rewiring was not a big deal to me and I have really noticed a big
difference in being able to get the most out of the GPL car by using brake and
throttle separately.

Hope that helps you to make your decision.

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva



>I'm looking to buy a FF wheel and am wondering how important it is to be
>able to have the throttle and brake on a separate axis.  Some reviewers make
>an issue of it - most don't even mention it?  Thanks!

Don Hancoc

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Don Hancoc » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>work to go through and modify them for split pedals, but for me personally
>I am definitely glad I did rewire the T2 pedals for split-axis, I trail
brake
>a lot and since I used to repair avionic radios for a living, a little bit
>of rewiring was not a big deal to me and I have really noticed a big
>difference in being able to get the most out of the GPL car by using brake

and

    Okay, I'll bite.  How DO you rewire the pedals for split axis? In N2 I
do a lot of 2-foot driving and I would think the settings allow me to define
pretty much whatever I want for a brake (don't they?).
    URL with details would be most beneficial (my news server deletes
messages after ONE day!).

"Gunner"

Doug Schneide

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Doug Schneide » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I've done this and it's not difficult if you can use a soldering iron and make
your own adapter.  You also need some 15 pin D connectors which will fit your
gameport.  They're not that hard to find.  Try
www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/docs/joystick/index.html.  The guy knows his
gameports.  LOL.

            Zog



> >work to go through and modify them for split pedals, but for me personally
> >I am definitely glad I did rewire the T2 pedals for split-axis, I trail
> brake
> >a lot and since I used to repair avionic radios for a living, a little bit
> >of rewiring was not a big deal to me and I have really noticed a big
> >difference in being able to get the most out of the GPL car by using brake
> and

>     Okay, I'll bite.  How DO you rewire the pedals for split axis? In N2 I
> do a lot of 2-foot driving and I would think the settings allow me to define
> pretty much whatever I want for a brake (don't they?).
>     URL with details would be most beneficial (my news server deletes
> messages after ONE day!).

> "Gunner"

Martin Urs

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Martin Urs » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00



        Sigh...  Don't I know it!  Using my old GP1 I've tried coming
up with ways of trail braking using a single-axis throttle/brake
(which I believe might shave SECONDS off my times at tracks like Spa
and Monza).  For the big downhill right turn at the Glen I brake, blip
to prevent spinning, brake, blip, brake, blip, etc.  It sounds ugly,
it looks ugly, difficult to repeat, and is not nearly as fast as (I'd
guess) it could be if I could blip and brake simultaneously.

        Now that I think about it, does anyone know where I can find a
really cheap set of CH Pedals?

Martin
Nigel Mansell RIP!

SteveBla

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by SteveBla » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Here you go.  Don't go burning stuff up with that soldering gun.

http://huizen.dds.nl/%7Ejjcox/

Cheers,

Steve B.

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'John' Joao Sil

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by 'John' Joao Sil » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Search www.dejanews.com for "split axis" in this newsgroup about the time GPL
came out, Steve Smith had a Word .DOC file that explained step by step how
to do it (I didn't grab it since mine were already split).

In a search for split-pedals you should even find a post by me where I
posted the exact procedure I followed and was given to me by Grant Reeve
(big thanks again Grant), this was a text file, either way it should be
pretty easy for you to find these in dejanews.

BTW, my rewiring didn't involve needing a whole new joystick plug, just adding
one more wire from the pedals to the joystick plug (digging in the plug to find
which wire to tap into) and also adding a switch to the pedals to allow
switching from single axis to split-axis, not too terribly hard if you aren't
afraid of a multimeter or soldering iron, but if you aren't comfortable with
that you might want to think twice since it could possibly***up your T2.

Hope this helps.

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva


>    Okay, I'll bite.  How DO you rewire the pedals for split axis? In N2 I
>do a lot of 2-foot driving and I would think the settings allow me to define
>pretty much whatever I want for a brake (don't they?).
>    URL with details would be most beneficial (my news server deletes
>messages after ONE day!).

>"Gunner"

Pat Dotso

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Pat Dotso » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00




> >I think anyone who is driving GPL without split-axis pedals is
> >handicapping themselves greatly.

>         Sigh...  Don't I know it!  Using my old GP1 I've tried coming
> up with ways of trail braking using a single-axis throttle/brake
> (which I believe might shave SECONDS off my times at tracks like Spa

I tried the single-axis pedals at Mosport in GPL.  I'm doing 1:22's
in the Coventry there with my regular controller.  After switching
to the S-A pedals, my fastest time was only 1:24.  It felt like
walking on eggshells everytime I would start to brake.  With more
practice, 1:23 wouldn't be too difficult, but I would be a lot
less consistent.

Do yourself a favor and get some pedals to go with your GP1 :)

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Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

Ferdinand Trauttmansdor

Split Axis on Pedals - how important

by Ferdinand Trauttmansdor » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

posted in rec.autos.simulators


>    Okay, I'll bite.  How DO you rewire the pedals for split axis?...
>    URL with details would be most beneficial...

In response to a similar question,

I'm still planning on converting my pedals.  But I haven't got enough
time in a day to do all the driving I would like, let alone time to do
the conversion.

        -Ferdinand-


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