NASCAR - yawwnnn!

Hadn't tried NASCAR games before but loaded Nascar 4 to check it out. WTF.... where's the fun?! I became mesmerised and fell asleep while going round 'n round 'n round, with the occasional twitch of the joystick to change the line on the bends. I found one track that had a few extra bends, only to discover why all the tracks are ovals, because the cars handle like shit! Must be missing something here...............

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjmljl$22n7$[email hidden]... TROLL - yawwnnn!

You are :-) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjmljl$22n7$[email hidden]... ... > Must be missing something here...

How about the NASCAR guys pointing out what's fun about it then? I'm not saying it isn't fun, just hoping some finer points can be made. There must be a list 10 miles long why it IS fun!!! :-) I'm just getting into racing on the PC, so I'm no expert. From what I've seen (from an XBOX Nascar game) it "sounds" really cool in 5.1 surround. Love that engine sound and you can really hear/feel those cars around you. Cockpit view is sweat.. More guys... <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjmljl$22n7$[email hidden]... > Hadn't tried NASCAR games before but loaded Nascar 4 to check it out. > WTF.... where's the fun?! I became mesmerised and fell asleep while going > round 'n round 'n round, with the occasional twitch of the joystick to > change the line on the bends. I found one track that had a few extrabends, > only to discover why all the tracks are ovals, because the cars handlelike > shit! > > Must be missing something here............... > >

Yep - I sweat every time I get into it. Bruce "Kevin�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wiD7b.7663$[email hidden]... > > Cockpit view is sweat..

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> How about the NASCAR guys pointing out what's fun about it then? > > I'm not saying it isn't fun, just hoping some finer points can be made. > There must be a list 10 miles long why it IS fun!!! :-) > > I'm just getting into racing on the PC, so I'm no expert. > From what I've seen (from an XBOX Nascar game) it "sounds" really cool in > 5.1 surround. Love that engine sound and you can really hear/feel those > cars around you. > > Cockpit view is sweat.. > > More guys...

If we have to explain, you won't understand...

Well at least you didn't say you'd shoot me... "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > If we have to explain, you won't understand...

Well at least you didn't say you'd shoot me... > If we have to explain, you won't understand...

He was probably tempted to though.... Steve "Kevin�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cCD7b.7669$[email hidden]...

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> Well at least you didn't say you'd shoot me... > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > If we have to explain, you won't understand... > >

He was probably tempted to though.... Steve > Well at least you didn't say you'd shoot me... > > If we have to explain, you won't understand...

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> Well at least you didn't say you'd shoot me... > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > If we have to explain, you won't understand... > > >

:) Discussions about how boring this or that series is or how pointless one or another is, is kind of, well, pointless. Everyone has their own reasons for watching/simming their favorite racing series. It's kinda like motorcycles. Harleys are great for people that can afford them, and Jap bikes are great for people that want what those bikes have to offer. To be honest, 99% of the motorcycles made today are equally reliable, and are equally expensive within their respective nomenclatures. In the end, you buy what you want because of what you want to believe. Personally, I don't really care if someone wants to ride a Jap bike or doesn't like Nascar racing, and no amount of arguing about it is likely to change their minds. I don't remember who started the thread, but it's a tired, old argument that is pretty much just a troll attempt to see how many Nascar fans he can stir up. Honestly, if we have to explain the reason someone else should like Nascar Racing, that person simply won't (want to?) understand. They can only find the reason on their own, and only if they're truly interested in finding that reason.

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:27:07 GMT, in rec.autos.simulators John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >Honestly, if we have to explain the reason someone else should like >Nascar Racing, that person simply won't (want to?) understand. They >can only find the reason on their own, and only if they're truly >interested in finding that reason. Interestingly enough, it was the Nascar simulator that made me start to enjoy Nascar racing. I was a dyed-in-the-wool open-wheel fanatic and harbored the greatest disdain for the oval track boys. Then I ran the first Nascar sim from Papyrus, and my feelings were confirmed. I could run away from those other cars without even breaking a sweat. Wait a minute? Why am I sliding so much? I've only done about 20 laps. The other cars are catching... and passing... me. What's going on? Ooooohhhhhhh. So that must be what they mean by tire management, eh? <g> Well, it wasn't long before I began to appreciate the complexity and strategy inherent in the Nascar paradigm, and then I started watching the races on TV and seeing how some cars manage to go forward week after week, and others find a way to lose. That's my personal experience, and now here's a fearless prediction: Nascar will soon find itself the victim of its own success. The young guns in the series are real race drivers who will do whatever it takes to win, unlike the old guard who, more often than not, were sons and grandsons of bootleggers who grew up in the barn bolting spare parts together. In the same way that Ayrton Senna changed F1 by abandoning old-fashioned notions of honour and gentlemanly sporting behaviour, the new breed of Nascar driver might turn the series into a demolition derby unless the powers-that-be can figure out how to pull the reins in. Should be interesting, eh? ...Ron

Why should they? Why should anyone go to great lengths to convince someone who doesn't like Nascar sim racing, when he can spend the time much better actually racing? :-) The way I personally feel about it is, those who like the sim will play it, those who don't, won't. I really don't care if someone likes it or not, as long as I've got enough good opponents to have great races :-) Achim "Kevin�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wiD7b.7663$[email hidden]... > How about the NASCAR guys pointing out what's fun about it then?...

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:27:07 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >Personally, I don't really care if someone wants to ride a Jap bike The only real bikes are 70's Triumphs anyway. Jason

Sounds to me like you're hotlapping. :)

What he's doing is probably too slow to be considered hotlapping....;) Another reason he thinks its no big deal...the people that arent very good at it are almost always the ones that find the sims lacking, anyone else notice that? "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjnkg2$l1c3l$[email hidden]... > Sounds to me like you're hotlapping. :) > >

Hey, I've watched NASCAR racing on TV and seen movies like Days of Thunder and a few others and enjoyed it, but to make a computer game from it just doesn't make sense. All that is good and exciting about real NASCAR racing is omitted and all that is left is acutely boring, leaving the player with nothing to do but set this alarm clock to wake him up before the next bend so he can twitch the joystick. Mmmmm.... as a strategy game it might have some merit, and I can could probably get my dog to do the actual boring driving bit. "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p9T7b.137001$[email hidden]...

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> What he's doing is probably too slow to be considered hotlapping....;) > Another reason he thinks its no big deal...the people that arent very good > at it are almost always the ones that find the sims lacking, anyone else > notice that? > "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bjnkg2$l1c3l$[email hidden]... > > Sounds to me like you're hotlapping. :) > > > > > >

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>Hey, I've watched NASCAR racing on TV and seen movies like Days of Thunder >and a few others and enjoyed it, but to make a computer game from it just >doesn't make sense. All that is good and exciting about real NASCAR racing >is omitted and all that is left is acutely boring, leaving the player with >nothing to do but set this alarm clock to wake him up before the next bend >so he can twitch the joystick. >

I started playing Nascar Racing 2003 a couple of months ago, despite knowing practically nothing about the sport. I have watched it a couple of times on TV, but it doesn't excite me much. I love playing the game though. On the surface it may look a very dumbed down sport, but it is full of subtleties that makes it a great sport, and a great contender for a computer game. -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: Check groups.google.com before asking a question. Don't top post. Trim your messages to include only relevent text.

"but to make a computer game from it just doesn't make sense." LOL, yea.. all of the money they make from the game just makes no sense 'leaving the player with nothing to do but set this alarm clock to wake him up before the next bend so he can twitch the joystick" Go run 30 laps at Darlington (at full speed, not putzing around) and then come back and tell us that. First of all though, you should definately try something other than Daytona/Dega by yourself. Its obvious that is what you are baseing this on. You may commence trolling ...

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjpe8g$2b64$[email hidden]... > Hey, I've watched NASCAR racing on TV and seen movies like Days of Thunder > and a few others and enjoyed it, but to make a computer game from it just > doesn't make sense. All that is good and exciting about real NASCAR racing > is omitted and all that is left is acutely boring, leaving the player with > nothing to do but set this alarm clock to wake him up before the next bend > so he can twitch the joystick. Trying to enjoy a racing sim with anything other than a wheel/pedal combo just doesnt make sense, course I'm guessing thats completely lost on you as well.

Weird. My 2 closest bikes to the 70's (my 67 Honda Super Sport, and 87 Cagiva WMX250), sure look and feel real. You can even ride them, and tune them, and put gas in them. I'll have to check my newer Suzuki and Honda too. You have me nervous now Jason. Maybe someone has been selling me bikes all my life that arent real. How many did you buy before you found that 70's Triumph that made you realize the truth about motorhuckles ? I love this X-Files shit.. :)

Wow...my experience and opinion exactly. A big "ditto" from me for Ron's comments. Marc "Ron Ginter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:27:07 GMT, in rec.autos.simulators John Simmons<[email hidden]> > wrote: > Interestingly enough, it was the Nascar simulator that made me start toenjoy > Nascar racing. I was a dyed-in-the-wool open-wheel fanatic and harboredthe > greatest disdain for the oval track boys. > > Then I ran the first Nascar sim from Papyrus, and my feelings wereconfirmed. > I could run away from those other cars without even breaking a sweat.Wait a > minute? Why am I sliding so much? I've only done about 20 laps. Theother > cars are catching... and passing... me. What's going on? > > Ooooohhhhhhh. So that must be what they mean by tire management, eh? <g> > Well, it wasn't long before I began to appreciate the complexity andstrategy > inherent in the Nascar paradigm, and then I started watching the races onTV > and seeing how some cars manage to go forward week after week, and othersfind > a way to lose. > > That's my personal experience, and now here's a fearless prediction: > > Nascar will soon find itself the victim of its own success. The youngguns in > the series are real race drivers who will do whatever it takes to win,unlike > the old guard who, more often than not, were sons and grandsons ofbootleggers > who grew up in the barn bolting spare parts together. In the same waythat > Ayrton Senna changed F1 by abandoning old-fashioned notions of honour and > gentlemanly sporting behaviour, the new breed of Nascar driver might turnthe > series into a demolition derby unless the powers-that-be can figure outhow to > pull the reins in. Should be interesting, eh? > > ...Ron

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>Hadn't tried NASCAR games before but loaded Nascar 4 to check it out. >WTF.... where's the fun?! I became mesmerised and fell asleep while going >round 'n round 'n round, with the occasional twitch of the joystick to >change the line on the bends. I found one track that had a few extra bends, >only to discover why all the tracks are ovals, because the cars handle like >shit! > >Must be missing something here............... >

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: Please don't feed the trolls... Eldred -- "A voice from the crowd: Right, everyone out of my garden. I've had enough of this!" Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -2.4 N2k3 rank ? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

TOO Easy. No challange. I'll let it pass :) Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjmljl$22n7$[email hidden]... > Must be missing something here...............

> "but to make a computer game from it just doesn't make sense." > > LOL, yea.. all of the money they make from the game just makes no sense My point exactly!! I see I'm not alone.........

>> "but to make a computer game from it just doesn't make sense." >> >> LOL, yea.. all of the money they make from the game just makes no sense > >My point exactly!! I see I'm not alone......... Whoosh... That went over your head and was still climbing when it hit the wall... Eldred -- "A voice from the crowd: Right, everyone out of my garden. I've had enough of this!" Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -2.4 N2k3 rank ? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Hadn't tried NASCAR games before but loaded Nascar 4 to check it out. > WTF.... where's the fun?! I became mesmerised and fell asleep while going > round 'n round 'n round, with the occasional twitch of the joystick to > change the line on the bends. I found one track that had a few extra bends, > only to discover why all the tracks are ovals, because the cars handle like > shit! > > Must be missing something here............... > >

I want to know when they plan to come out with the version where you can call the guy who spins you out names and get your crew to jump on the car a la Kevin Harvick ;-)

He he. Wrong head.... too subtle for you Eldred? :-) -- Doug "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >> "but to make a computer game from it just doesn't make sense." > >> > >> LOL, yea.. all of the money they make from the game just makes no sense > > > >My point exactly!! I see I'm not alone......... > > Whoosh... > That went over your head and was still climbing when it hit the wall... > > Eldred > -- > "A voice from the crowd: Right, everyone out of my garden. I've had > enough of this!" > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank -2.4 > N2k3 rank ? > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That will be the WWF version designed for those with IQ's in the single digits. "Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tPq8b.71$[email hidden]... > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:bjmljl$22n7$[email hidden]... > > Hadn't tried NASCAR games before but loaded Nascar 4 to check it out. > > WTF.... where's the fun?! I became mesmerised and fell asleep whilegoing > > round 'n round 'n round, with the occasional twitch of the joystick to > > change the line on the bends. I found one track that had a few extrabends, > > only to discover why all the tracks are ovals, because the cars handlelike > > shit! > > > > Must be missing something here............... > > > > > I want to know when they plan to come out with the version where you cancall the guy who spins you out names and get your crew > to jump on the car a la Kevin Harvick ;-) > >

"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FFt8b.136850$[email hidden]... > That will be the WWF version designed for those with IQ's in the single > digits. Do you hear that, JS ?

> pull the reins in. Should be interesting, eh? > > ...Ron Gonna have to do a lot more then that to make Nascar interesting to me. Great cure for insomnia. Just my .02

Hehe. Just before management killed them off ? Had to love those self-lubricating tyres :-) MS "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:27:07 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Personally, I don't really care if someone wants to ride a Jap bike > > The only real bikes are 70's Triumphs anyway. > > Jason