is Nascar 2003 Papy's best Nascar sim ??

Hi all, I want to get back in Nascar racing. The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? The best frrom Papy ?? Worth the buy ?? THX in advance JW

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> Hi all, > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > The best frrom Papy ?? > Worth the buy ?? > > THX in advance > JW > >

THX THX THX :) Is there another Nascar game beter then Papy's ?? JW "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]...

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> yes > yes > yes > > "JW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]... > > Hi all, > > > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > > The best frrom Papy ?? > > Worth the buy ?? > > > > THX in advance > > JW > > > > > >

JW wrote: > > Is there another Nascar game beter then Papy's ?? > IMO, I'd have to say no. When drivers like Dale Jr., Ryan Newman and TJ Majors use Papy NASCAR sims, you know there's something special about it. As for other games, NASCAR Thunder 2004 is supposed to be pretty good. NASCAR Heat was a favorite of many. For the console, my absolute favorite was NASCAR Heat 2: Dirt to Daytona was a great game. Mainly because they had you move up the classes: dirt, featherlite modified, CTS and then on to Winston Cup. -Will

Are there more versions of Nascar 2003 ?? Some site say Nascar 2003 and some say Nascar 2003 season. Is there a diffrence ?? THX JW "JW" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > The best frrom Papy ?? > Worth the buy ?? > > THX in advance > JW > >

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> Are there more versions of Nascar 2003 ?? > > Some site say Nascar 2003 and some say Nascar 2003 season. > > Is there a diffrence ?? > > THX > JW

No, the proper name is NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. Everyone typically shortens this to NR2003 or 2003 or whatever, it's all the same thing. Just be sure it is NR and not NT. NT is NASCAR Thunder, the game from EA. NR is NASCAR Racing, the sim from Papyrus.

OK guys THX for replying !! gonna get me a copy of Nascar 2003 ( Papy version) "JW" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > The best frrom Papy ?? > Worth the buy ?? > > THX in advance > JW > >

Same thing, this game is a must...get it. EL "JW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bm4jmm$2l3r$[email hidden]...

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> Are there more versions of Nascar 2003 ?? > > Some site say Nascar 2003 and some say Nascar 2003 season. > > Is there a diffrence ?? > > THX > JW > > "JW" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]... > > Hi all, > > > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > > The best frrom Papy ?? > > Worth the buy ?? > > > > THX in advance > > JW > > > > > >

Is your computer relatively new (and powerful)? "JW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bm4m2n$2mf9$[email hidden]...

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> OK guys THX for replying !! > gonna get me a copy of Nascar 2003 ( Papy version) > > "JW" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]... > > Hi all, > > > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > > The best frrom Papy ?? > > Worth the buy ?? > > > > THX in advance > > JW > > > > > >

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>"JW" <[email hidden]> wrote > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > The best frrom Papy ?? > Worth the buy ??

Is Nascar Racing 3 the last simulation by Papyrus you have tried? You've never seen Nascar Racing : 1999 Edition, Nascar Racing 4 or Nascar Racing 2002? You're in for an incredible ride! (if you got a good PC). Nascar Racing 3 was really solid, I loved that everybody back then, when it was released, could run it with almost everything on and get a constant 36 (or was it 30?) fps. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

No. The best from Papyrus were the last sims in which it was possible to save the race in progress; Nascar 3 and Nascar Legends. And, save or no save, GPL, of course (but that goes without saying!) Bruce. "JW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > The best frrom Papy ?? > Worth the buy ?? > > THX in advance > JW > >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > No. > The best from Papyrus were the last sims in which it was possible to save > the race in progress; Nascar 3 and Nascar Legends. Not being able to save is a massive issue for some, while being of absolutely no importance for the majority. To say N3 and NL are better because they have a save option is, well, silly really. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

"JW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]... > Hi all, > > I want to get back in Nascar racing. > The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. > > Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ??From Nascar 3 - HELL yes > The best frrom Papy ??Yup > Worth the buy ??Hell yes - <�20 Doug

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> "JW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bm4fp3$2irj$[email hidden]... > >>Hi all, >> >>I want to get back in Nascar racing. >>The last Nascar game I got is nascar 3. >> >>Is Nascar 2003 a great step forward ?? > > From Nascar 3 - HELL yes > > >>The best frrom Papy ?? > > Yup > > >>Worth the buy ?? > > Hell yes - <£20 > > Doug > >

It's got no save game option :(.....;) -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

They're, well, better for me and, well, my statement was intended to be so. Bruce "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > To say N3 and NL are better because they have a save option is, well, > silly really.

Which is, well, silly really. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Doug Ellison wrote: > It's got no save game option :(.....;)

Which is, well, silly really. Bruce. > It's got no save game option :(.....;)

What the real deal here is , what Papy didnt improve on since NR3 the folks at PWF (ProjectWildfire) have and continue to master.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:15:04 +0100, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: >Not being able to save is a massive issue for some, while being of >absolutely no importance for the majority. I still don't understand the idea of driving a full length race if you aren't going to sit down and drive the whole race. The entire concept of 400 to 600 mile races is that it tests endurance, both of the car and driver. It's sort of like complaining because Mobil 1 Rally Championship doesn't let you save in the middle of a stage. Jason

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> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:15:04 +0100, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Not being able to save is a massive issue for some, while being of >>absolutely no importance for the majority. > > > I still don't understand the idea of driving a full length race if you > aren't going to sit down and drive the whole race. The entire concept > of 400 to 600 mile races is that it tests endurance, both of the car > and driver. It's sort of like complaining because Mobil 1 Rally > Championship doesn't let you save in the middle of a stage. > > Jason

Indeed. Why anyone would elevate N3 and NL above N2k3 due to the latter not having a save option is beyond me. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > They're, well, better for me and, well, my statement was intended to be so. Really? So what you were thinking wasn't what you were typing, maybe. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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> Which is, well, silly really. > > Bruce. > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Doug Ellison wrote: > >>It's got no save game option :(.....;) > > >

Bruce, you're a twat. A top posting one at that! -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

Because, to some of us who have a life and appreciate what reality really means, these things are games; they are there to provide entertainment when WE want to be entertained. I would prefer (note that I did not make a demand) to be able to run a full-length race when MY priorities allow me to partake in a gaming session, whether it be of twenty minutes or an hour or so. The entire concept of a 400 to 600 mile race in real life - note, REAL LIFE - is that one undertakes the commitment to do so. But then, the person so-doing has most likely not just come home from a 12-hour stretch at work, is not taking care of a couple of kids, is not preparing dinner and probably does what he or she does for a living, not in order to relax and shrug off the daily trials and tribulations. So when I say that, to me, a racing sim that allows for a race to be saved mid-stream is my preference, it is a statement of preference, nothing more. So all of you pedants, you "sim-snobs" who look down their noses at anyone who could ever get enjoyment out of anything which is less than 100% realistic, please remember that, when you're sitting there with your fireproof Nomex racing suits and your desk-mounted ultra-fabulous feedback wheels and pedals, you are simply in a greater state of pretence than am I. Bruce. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I still don't understand the idea of driving a full length race if you > aren't going to sit down and drive the whole race.

Does the term "top posting" refer to my brilliant repartee or.....?? Sorry, you've lost me with that term. Is it Pommy slang or what? And a "twat" down here refers to the female sex organ, so at least I can consider myself quite desirable, Gerry. Thanks for the compliment, old chap. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Bruce, you're a twat. A top posting one at that! >

> So all of you pedants, you "sim-snobs" who look down their noses at anyone > who could ever get enjoyment out of anything which is less than 100% > realistic, please remember that, when you're sitting there with your > fireproof Nomex racing suits and your desk-mounted ultra-fabulous feedback > wheels and pedals, you are simply in a greater state of pretence than amI. Not that that's a bad thing :p ;) Regards, Mark Davison V8 Thunder Admin http://www.v8thunder.com "Race your ass..."

Well, Mark, it depends on whether or not you are the psychiatrist or the patient. Bruce. "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NDQhb.6473$[email hidden]... > > > Not that that's a bad thing :p ;) >

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:56:26 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So all of you pedants, you "sim-snobs" who look down their noses at anyone >who could ever get enjoyment out of anything which is less than 100% >realistic, please remember that, when you're sitting there with your >fireproof Nomex racing suits and your desk-mounted ultra-fabulous feedback >wheels and pedals, you are simply in a greater state of pretence than am I. I race simulators to experience something I can't experience in real life. Same thing with flight sims, or sports management sims. I want them to be as convincing (notice I didn't say realistic) as possible so that I am able to truly believe I'm participating in the event being simulated. I enjoy non-simulations, too, I just prefer to play them with a gamepad on my xbox. Jason

What's the difference between a "convincing game" and a "simulation", Jason? Also, what's the difference between being "realistic" and "as convincing as possible"? (They are each a synonym for the other, mate! :) ) Bruce. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:56:26 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I want them to be as convincing (notice I didn't say realistic) aspossible > so that I am able to truly believe I'm participating in the event > being simulated.

I'm with you Bruce. I have complained to Papy ever since they first took out the save race feature for the very same reasons you listed. -- Brian Tate DSTP Motorsports Public Relations http://www.dstpmotorsports.com http://www.toyotaatlantic.com "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f886bc6$[email hidden]... > What's the difference between a "convincing game" and a "simulation", Jason? > Also, what's the difference between being "realistic" and "as convincing as > possible"? > (They are each a synonym for the other, mate! :) ) > > Bruce. > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:56:26 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > I want them to be as convincing (notice I didn't say realistic) as > possible > > so that I am able to truly believe I'm participating in the event > > being simulated. > >

I preffer racing games that let me race for 12-20 minutes at most, and still have some fun. Which is why I tend not to race many Papyrus games. For NASCAR type racing, I like NASCAR HEAT, and Nascar 2004 on PC looks promising (NASCAR 2003 was also OK, but had no career mode). I also like Dirt Track Racing 2, also (and the races are fairly short). Sports Car GT is still a classic, too, because you can have a good race that lasts 12-24 minutes. For those guys that race for hours online, good for you, but I simply have different priorities, and I'm sure there are many more like me.

Brian Tate wrote: > I'm with you Bruce. I have complained to Papy ever since they first took > out the save race feature for the very same reasons you listed. A save feature would ruin off-line league racing because there would be an ever present suspicion of cheating. You all have your own selfish reasons for wanting a saved feature without considering the implications it would have for other users. If you lot are to be believed, you never get a chance to do anything in your lives for more than 20 minutes at a time, rumpy pumpy included. All your wives or girlfriends must have a save feature. ;) -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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> > Brian Tate wrote: > > I'm with you Bruce. I have complained to Papy ever since they first took > > out the save race feature for the very same reasons you listed. > > A save feature would ruin off-line league racing because there would be > an ever present suspicion of cheating. You all have your own selfish > reasons for wanting a saved feature without considering the implications > it would have for other users.

Uhm.....ruin offline league racing ? Easy fix for that, you send an e-mail before you start the race, and then one when you finish it along with the results file Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:54:19 -0400, "magnulus" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I preffer racing games that let me race for 12-20 minutes at most, and >still have some fun. Which is why I tend not to race many Papyrus games. >For NASCAR type racing, I like NASCAR HEAT, and Nascar 2004 on PC looks >promising (NASCAR 2003 was also OK, but had no career mode). I also like >Dirt Track Racing 2, also (and the races are fairly short). Sports Car GT >is still a classic, too, because you can have a good race that lasts 12-24 >minutes.

Why can't you run a 5% or 10% race in a Papy sim? Jason

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> > Gerry Aitken wrote: > >>Brian Tate wrote: >> >>>I'm with you Bruce. I have complained to Papy ever since they first took >>>out the save race feature for the very same reasons you listed. >> >>A save feature would ruin off-line league racing because there would be >>an ever present suspicion of cheating. You all have your own selfish >>reasons for wanting a saved feature without considering the implications >>it would have for other users. > > > Uhm.....ruin offline league racing ? > > Easy fix for that, you send an e-mail before you start the race, and > then one when you finish it along with the results file

You can get round that by saying the results are late because you had to take a phone call half way through the race. The suspicion would be that you had had a crash and gone back to the last saved position. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

We have OUR "selfish reasons"??!!!!!!!!!!! God forbid that anything which YOU prefer should ever be considered "selfish", Gerald. And we were quite happy with the off-line leagues we were running in the 1990's - some of the more enjoyable moments of sim-racing and RAS fraternising...for me, anyway. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You all have your own selfish reasons for wanting a saved featurewithout considering the implications > it would have for other users.

Gerry Aitken wrote: > > You can get round that by saying the results are late because you had to > take a phone call half way through the race. The suspicion would be that > you had had a crash and gone back to the last saved position. Yeah...ONE time maybe, they'd never let you get away with it a second time, besides, how long would you need to tell the caller that you're busy ? Sorry, that argument doesn't fly with me :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > We have OUR "selfish reasons"??!!!!!!!!!!! > God forbid that anything which YOU prefer should ever be considered > "selfish", Gerald. > > And we were quite happy with the off-line leagues we were running in the > 1990's - some of the more enjoyable moments of sim-racing and RAS > fraternising...for me, anyway.

You mean like.....say a certain BR1000 race back in 90's ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > Gerry Aitken wrote: > >>You can get round that by saying the results are late because you had to >>take a phone call half way through the race. The suspicion would be that >>you had had a crash and gone back to the last saved position. > > > Yeah...ONE time maybe, they'd never let you get away with it a second > time, besides, how long would you need to tell the caller that you're > busy ?

If everybody gets away with it just once it makes a mockery of the whole thing. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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> We have OUR "selfish reasons"??!!!!!!!!!!! > God forbid that anything which YOU prefer should ever be considered > "selfish", Gerald. > > And we were quite happy with the off-line leagues we were running in the > 1990's - some of the more enjoyable moments of sim-racing and RAS > fraternising...for me, anyway.

Did you ever cheat? ;) -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > If everybody gets away with it just once it makes a mockery of the whole > thing. I disagree, and quite frankly Gerry, there's probably nothing you can say that will convince me that adding a save game feature is really bad for offline leagues :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

No, not once in any of the off-line races which I not only administered but also competed in. What was the point? Cheating is an act which, for as long as I can remember, I have never been able to understand, whether it be in a game, in exams or in sport. Maybe I was brought up properly - at least insofar as my mores are concerned. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Did you ever cheat? ;) >

Yeah! :) And the GPL league (with GP2, I think it was?) that some bloke in the states was running - it was a real beaut. And the Team Vegemite story! :) Gee....that was fun and I really do miss the off-line racing. It was so easy to run >your< race session(s) when it suited >you<. You can't do that with on-line racing. Bruce. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > You mean like.....say a certain BR1000 race back in 90's ? :-)

Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> No, not once in any of the off-line races which I not only administered but > also competed in. > What was the point? > Cheating is an act which, for as long as I can remember, I have never been > able to understand, whether it be in a game, in exams or in sport. > Maybe I was brought up properly - at least insofar as my mores are > concerned.

Did you ever have any suspicion that someone may have cheated? Gerry Aitken PS, you always go out of your way to tell us how well brought up, why?

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> Yeah! :) > And the GPL league (with GP2, I think it was?) that some bloke in the states > was running - it was a real beaut. And the Team Vegemite story! :) > > Gee....that was fun and I really do miss the off-line racing. > It was so easy to run >your< race session(s) when it suited >you<. > You can't do that with on-line racing.

Yes you can, just find a league that runs at a time that suits. Oh, I forgot, you cannot do anything for more than twenty minutes at a time. ;) -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > No, not once in any of the off-line races which I not only administeredbut > > also competed in. > > What was the point? > > Cheating is an act which, for as long as I can remember, I have neverbeen

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> > able to understand, whether it be in a game, in exams or in sport. > > Maybe I was brought up properly - at least insofar as my mores are > > concerned. > > Did you ever have any suspicion that someone may have cheated? > > Gerry Aitken > > PS, you always go out of your way to tell us how well brought up, why?

Maybe it is because he was so well brought up that he doesn't mind going a bit out of his way. Elrikk PS. I think I had a similar upbringing. ;o)

At last you understand, Gerry, that I (and a LOT of others) have a life which involves other people and, as a result, other activities. But twenty minutes is a bit short....say an hour to an hour-and-a-half for my gaming sessions. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Oh, I forgot, you cannot do anything for more than twenty minutes at a > time. ;)

That's odd.....the post from Gerry isn't seen in my thread but yours is, Elrikk. Gerry, I can remember that nobody was ever accused of cheating but I honestly can't recall whether suspicions were raised or not. And where do I keep going out of my way with regard to broadcasting my upbringing?? Bruce.

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> "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Did you ever have any suspicion that someone may have cheated? > > > > Gerry Aitken > > > > PS, you always go out of your way to tell us how well brought up, why?

I have to support Bruce in this discussion. I fail to see where the suspicion of cheating comes into offline leagues. It would be so simple to code the results output to show whether the game had been saved or not. I think gp2 had this ability. I'm pretty sure there was some program that detected it in the replay or results. But I could be wrong. There is the same level of suspicion of cheats in online racing as there is in offline. I'm married with one child. For me to sit down in one hit and race a full race is next to impossible. But I would like to be able to do it. In gp2, this was a great feature, it allowed me to do a full season with full length races. I find it hard to understand why people are so against the idea that other people may want this save game feature. As to finding online leagues that suit my time table. Yeah, right!!! Children make that damn hard. You got to remember time zones. Not all of us live in the northern hemisphere. I'm in one league. Rascar. But to be able to race in that, I have to get up at 4 am or 5am on a Sunday morning, depending on daylight savings. That is the only time I can race, and I'm unemployed at the moment!! When I was working, I didn't get home until 8am Sunday morning. So that meant no online racing for me. Online racing is not the only form of racing for these games. If it was, there wouldn't be ai included in the program, and there wouldn't be the ability to do a championship off line. All where asking is for one more feature to be included in an otherwise exellent package. And we don't expect to be treated as a lower form of life for mainly racing offline. Steve "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Brian Tate wrote: > > I'm with you Bruce. I have complained to Papy ever since they firsttook

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> > out the save race feature for the very same reasons you listed. > > > A save feature would ruin off-line league racing because there would be > an ever present suspicion of cheating. You all have your own selfish > reasons for wanting a saved feature without considering the implications > it would have for other users. > > If you lot are to be believed, you never get a chance to do anything in > your lives for more than 20 minutes at a time, rumpy pumpy included. All > your wives or girlfriends must have a save feature. ;) > > -- > > Gerry Aitken > > ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter > 6, verse 16 > > This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin. >

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:20:08 +1100, "Steve Whitty" <stev_mazzNOSPAM at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote: >I find it hard to understand why people are so against the idea that other >people may want this save game feature. Clearly for whatever reason Papyrus decided that adding a save game feature was more trouble than it was worth. I don't mind if people wish there were a save game feature, I just don't understand the people who whine about it incessantly as if the ability to race shorter races doesn't exist in N2003. If you only have 30 minutes to run a race, then run a 15% race ffs. Programming with a time deadline is all about opportunity cost. There is nothing in N2003 that I would have wanted Papyrus to sacrifice in order to add a save game, and there are at least a dozen features that I would want added before a save game. As I see it, the purpose of a save game is to allow offline racers to run races in shorter stints. There is already an easy solution for this in the sim - turn down the race length. They've even made it easier for you this year if you absolutely demand pitstop strategy, since you can increase the fuel use and tire wear multipliers. Jason

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > That's odd.....the post from Gerry isn't seen in my thread but yours is, > Elrikk. > > Gerry, I can remember that nobody was ever accused of cheating but I > honestly can't recall whether suspicions were raised or not. Did you save during off-line league races, and run the race over a couple of sittings? > And where do I keep going out of my way with regard to broadcasting my > upbringing?? You usually mention this when you go off on one over spelling or grammar. You and Barton both used to harp on about spelling ability being directly proportional to upbringing. Why do I remember that? Fork knows! Probably for the same reason you've forgotten it. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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> I have to support Bruce in this discussion. > > I fail to see where the suspicion of cheating comes into offline leagues. > It would be so simple to code the results output to show whether the game > had been saved or not. I think gp2 had this ability. I'm pretty sure there > was some program that detected it in the replay or results. But I could be > wrong. There is the same level of suspicion of cheats in online racing as > there is in offline. > > I'm married with one child. For me to sit down in one hit and race a full > race is next to impossible. But I would like to be able to do it. In gp2, > this was a great feature, it allowed me to do a full season with full length > races. > > I find it hard to understand why people are so against the idea that other > people may want this save game feature. > > As to finding online leagues that suit my time table. Yeah, right!!! > Children make that damn hard. You got to remember time zones. Not all of > us live in the northern hemisphere. I'm in one league. Rascar. But to be > able to race in that, I have to get up at 4 am or 5am on a Sunday morning, > depending on daylight savings. That is the only time I can race, and I'm > unemployed at the moment!! When I was working, I didn't get home until 8am > Sunday morning. So that meant no online racing for me. > > Online racing is not the only form of racing for these games. If it was, > there wouldn't be ai included in the program, and there wouldn't be the > ability to do a championship off line. All where asking is for one more > feature to be included in an otherwise exellent package. And we don't > expect to be treated as a lower form of life for mainly racing offline.

Who's treating you as a lower form of life? -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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> > Yeah! :) > And the GPL league (with GP2, I think it was?) that some bloke in the states > was running - it was a real beaut. And the Team Vegemite story! :) > > Gee....that was fun and I really do miss the off-line racing. > It was so easy to run >your< race session(s) when it suited >you<. > You can't do that with on-line racing.

And the time it suited me best always seemed to be at the last possible moment to complete it before the deadline....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Does the term "top posting" refer to my brilliant repartee or.....?? > Sorry, you've lost me with that term. Is it Pommy slang or what? 'Net slang. Normally, you should reply *under* the post that you reply to. People who "top-post", don't. They post on top of other's text, as one day, Microsoft decided that when you click on the reply button, your text pointer would be on the top of the message. It then became a common usage, unfortunately. Silly them, as usual for MS, for not knowing how it should work. Well, it's a much more complicated situation, and has been the debate of encyclopaedic-sized threads for the past decade on the Usenet. Top-posters are often the target of ridicule, for good reasons. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Okay - thanks for the explanation and, as far as I'm concerned, I'll use the default. If it annoys - stiff cheddar. (Anyway, who set the rule that one should reply *under* the post to which one refers?) Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zsIib.2258$[email hidden]... > > Normally, you should reply *under* the post that you reply to.

No, I don't think we were allowed to save a race in progress in one of the leagues (I'm sure it was the Grand Prix 2 league, run by Jim someone, out of the USA) but the rules permitted us to restart a couple of times provided that certain parameters were met. With the Legends league I think we could do that too; gawd, I administered it but can't recall the rules and regs! (I wish I'd archived this stuff to CD or whatever but back then CD writers were just being introduced as a standard PC system component.) A NASCAR league I belonged to (NASCAR 2 and NASCAR 3) allowed race-saving so long as certain parameters were met. I think you had to be in the pits or have just been in the pits....can't remember the details. With regard to Barton and myself, I reckon that's a lesson well taught then, if you can recall those instances and I can't! Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Did you save during off-line league races, and run the race over a > couple of sittings? >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > (Anyway, who set the rule that one should reply *under* the post to which > one refers?) > > Bruce. Tradition, Like most of the things in life that don't seem to make a lot of sense at first glance. ;o) Elrikk

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> Okay - thanks for the explanation and, as far as I'm concerned, I'll use the > default. > If it annoys - stiff cheddar. > > (Anyway, who set the rule that one should reply *under* the post to which > one refers?) >

Mr. Common Sense. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:40:36 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >(Anyway, who set the rule that one should reply *under* the post to which >one refers?) >Just the umpteen million people who read and write the English language working down the page. But you obviously know better than they do. -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > (Anyway, who set the rule that one should reply *under* the post to which > one refers?) It makes sense in a linear way. Usenet discussions follow a similar communication pattern as any other, so if I want to add something to what you have written, I'll do it after you have finished, therefore below the text, after it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Ah, yes, chaps. But I have my newser threads set up so that the most recent appears at the top...so that's probably why I adopt a similar modus operandi for the post. Of course, the easiest way around it is to delete the entire previous post from the response in the first place, like this............ DAAA-DAAAAH! :) Bruce.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3f8bb41a$[email hidden]>...

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> Ah, yes, chaps. > But I have my newser threads set up so that the most recent appears at the > top...so that's probably why I adopt a similar modus operandi for the post. > > Of course, the easiest way around it is to delete the entire > previous post from the response in the first place, like this............ > > > DAAA-DAAAAH! :) > > Bruce.

I suddenly find myself interested in whether the text on the roof of my car is considered top-posting and on the door is bottom posting?

LOL!! :) Bruce. "Bruce Millar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I suddenly find myself interested in whether the text on the roof of > my car is considered top-posting and on the door is bottom posting? ..or should that be....? LOL!! :) Bruce.

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > With regard to Barton and myself, I reckon that's a lesson well taught then, > if you can recall those instances and I can't! I miss Bart ..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > Ah, yes, chaps. > But I have my newser threads set up so that the most recent appears at the > top...so that's probably why I adopt a similar modus operandi for the post. > > Of course, the easiest way around it is to delete the entire > previous post from the response in the first place, like this............ > > DAAA-DAAAAH! :) > > Bruce.

No, if you're not quoting the appropriate bits in the text you reply to, then people will actually have to go back to that post and read the whole thing to make sure they get your reply into proper context Not quoting at all is worse than top posting, yes, I do dislike top posting and I would have thought that someone who comes across as one who values certain "rules and traditions" would adhere to certain "standards", or are you an anarchist perhaps ? :-) Certainly not at your advanced age ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > >>With regard to Barton and myself, I reckon that's a lesson well taught then, >>if you can recall those instances and I can't! > > > I miss Bart ..... >

What you throwing at him? -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > >>With regard to Barton and myself, I reckon that's a lesson well taught then, > >>if you can recall those instances and I can't! > > > > > > I miss Bart ..... > > > > What you throwing at him?

Not insults .... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Yeah, Goy. So do I. When I returned to RAS those few months ago he was amongst the first posters I looked for in the threads. Regards, Bruce. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I miss Bart ..... >

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ...... or are you an anarchist perhaps ? :-) > > Certainly not at your advanced age ? Nope.....definitely NOT an anarchist, Goy. Politically incorrect, yes....and proud of it. In fact, I'll flaunt it until the day I die. But anarchy was never my thing. So here I am, doing the right and proper thing with regard to posting replies in RAS. How 'bout that? Pretty orright, I reckon, eh? :) Bruce the Proper.

Be careful what you wish for. John Wallace is still haunting me. :-) Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > I miss Bart ..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Better than the bottom-feeding scum :) Why in the hell would I want to scroll down through pages of shit I've already read just to read the latest reply? I can always scroll down and re-read if I need to :) -Larry (Top-Poster, and damn proud of it!) "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Ah, yes, chaps. > > But I have my newser threads set up so that the most recent appears atthe > > top...so that's probably why I adopt a similar modus operandi for thepost. > > > > Of course, the easiest way around it is to delete the entire > > previous post from the response in the first place, likethis............

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> > > > DAAA-DAAAAH! :) > > > > Bruce. > > No, if you're not quoting the appropriate bits in the text you reply to, > then people will actually have to go back to that post and read the > whole thing to make sure they get your reply into proper context > > Not quoting at all is worse than top posting, yes, I do dislike top > posting and I would have thought that someone who comes across as one > who values certain "rules and traditions" would adhere to certain > "standards", or are you an anarchist perhaps ? :-) > > Certainly not at your advanced age ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

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> > Nope.....definitely NOT an anarchist, Goy. > Politically incorrect, yes....and proud of it. In fact, I'll flaunt it until > the day I die. > > But anarchy was never my thing. > > So here I am, doing the right and proper thing with regard to posting > replies in RAS. > How 'bout that? Pretty orright, I reckon, eh? :)

WTG mate :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Pete wrote: > > Be careful what you wish for. John Wallace is still > haunting me. :-) LOL, yeah, I see that Byron is posting the odd post in here these days, but nothing like the "old" days Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Larry wrote: > > Why in the hell would I want to scroll down through pages of shit I've > already read just to read the latest reply? I can always scroll down and > re-read if I need to :) Because if people trim off the non relevant bits, you won't have to scroll down through shit you've already read, it's because people are lazy that you have to do that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

I totally agree! :) > Why in the hell would I want to scroll down through pages of shit I've > already read just to read the latest reply? I can always scroll down and > re-read if I need to :) > > -Larry (Top-Poster, and damn proud of it!)

Traditions be damned. I read from the top down and don't want to scroll to get to the bottom. It's time for the bottom feeders to come to the top where they belong :) "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bmlqfj$ntusn$[email hidden]... > I totally agree! > :) > > > Why in the hell would I want to scroll down through pages of shit I've > > already read just to read the latest reply? I can always scroll downand > > re-read if I need to :) > > > > -Larry (Top-Poster, and damn proud of it!) > >

I agree :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aHWjb.1208$[email hidden]... > Traditions be damned. I read from the top down and don't want to scrollto > get to the bottom. It's time for the bottom feeders to come to the top > where they belong :)