Re: N4 vs NH

In article <q3wl5.13806$[email hidden]>, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> writes: >N3 is old, very old. ANd I will be honest even though Heat is a much better >game in almost every aspect, I would stick with N3 if I could only keep 1 >on my hard drive. Can't beat the multplayer in N3. > N3 came out last year. NH will come out this year. N4 will come out NEXT year. By then, NH will be 'old'. What's the difference? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8n6l6p$4eg$[email hidden]>, "Kirk Lane" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current >'best >> of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release >> N4 and I didn't see it? > >But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 years old >very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends with World >Circuit!!! >

3 or 4 years old? My copy of N3 is dated 1999. which version did YOU buy? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Good Point, Why compare, just enjoy both. So far I like the NH demo, I also still like N3 and I,m sure N4 will be a good product, I like GPL, DTR, GP3, I play them all. I always get amused how upset people get when you "diss" thier favorite sim/game No matter how "real" we think these games are we all sitting in front of a computer in our dens, living rooms etc...... Right now NH has the public eye, good for them, Papy will wait for the "newness" to ware off then they will release thier product and they will have the pub, good for them. If one doesent like a product don't play it.

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> Okay, okay....I get the message. You don't have to get so upset! ><grin> >Point taken. (Wow, I didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers) By the way, I >didn't "diss" NH. I like it. I was just saying a more "comparativel" >evaluation would be against N4. >Or, Nascar 2000 <grin> > >-Cheers! > > >"L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... >> I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how >> it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. >> >> Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current >'best >> of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release >> N4 and I didn't see it? >> >> No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it >> doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't >> stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole >Position >> campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 >providing >> papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4 >so >> they can port it to the XBOX). >> >> Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I >> would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around >the >> corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every >> time you blink. >>

Nascar heat puts N3 to shame. Excellent demo in virtually every way. If N4 turns out to be better, it will not be by much. Perhaps the sudden release delay is in part due to marketing considerations, given what an excellent product Nascar Heat happens to be. Maybe they need to tweak it a bit in order to gain some small advantage. I intend to by both, as I expect that both will be excellent games, with minor plusses and minuses.

I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current 'best of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release N4 and I didn't see it? No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole Position campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 providing papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4 so they can port it to the XBOX). Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around the corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every time you blink.

N3 is old, very old. ANd I will be honest even though Heat is a much better game in almost every aspect, I would stick with N3 if I could only keep 1 on my hard drive. Can't beat the multplayer in N3. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] --------------------------------------------------- "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current 'best > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release > N4 and I didn't see it? > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole Position > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 providing > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4 so > they can port it to the XBOX). > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around the > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > time you blink. > >

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 04:46:59 GMT, "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote: >providing >papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4 so >they can port it to the XBOX). Nah, they'd want to convert it into an arcade racer. >Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I >would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around the >corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every >time you blink. Well put! -- Thief In The Night

Okay, okay....I get the message. You don't have to get so upset! <grin> Point taken. (Wow, I didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers) By the way, I didn't "diss" NH. I like it. I was just saying a more "comparativel" evaluation would be against N4. Or, Nascar 2000 <grin> -Cheers! "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current'best > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release > N4 and I didn't see it? > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari PolePosition > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4providing > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4so > they can port it to the XBOX). > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing aroundthe > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > time you blink. > >

I am really impressed with the fact Papy is not rushing the product out now to try and compete sooner with Heat, as I am sure a lot of developers would have been tempted to do. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Nascar heat puts N3 to shame. > Excellent demo in virtually every way. If N4 turns out to be better, it will > not be by much. Perhaps the sudden release delay is in part due to marketing > considerations, given what an excellent product Nascar Heat happens to be. > Maybe they need to tweak it a bit in order to gain some small advantage. I > intend to by both, as I expect that both will be excellent games, with minor > plusses and minuses.

Well said Don. -Cheers! "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3vyl5.110224$[email hidden]... > I am really impressed with the fact Papy is not rushing the product outnow > to try and compete sooner with Heat, as I am sure a lot of developerswould

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> have been tempted to do. > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Nascar heat puts N3 to shame. > > Excellent demo in virtually every way. If N4 turns out to be better, it > will > > not be by much. Perhaps the sudden release delay is in part due to > marketing > > considerations, given what an excellent product Nascar Heat happens to

be. > > Maybe they need to tweak it a bit in order to gain some small advantage.I > > intend to by both, as I expect that both will be excellent games, with > minor > > plusses and minuses. > >

Hello??? NH is a DEMO, don't say you won't get it cause the multiplayer is bad, I can't get it to work in the demo, can you??????? Vintook "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q3wl5.13806$[email hidden]... > N3 is old, very old. ANd I will be honest even though Heat is a muchbetter

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> game in almost every aspect, I would stick with N3 if I could only keep 1 > on my hard drive. Can't beat the multplayer in N3. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > --------------------------------------------------- > > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see

how > > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current > 'best > > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papyrelease

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> > N4 and I didn't see it? > > > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole > Position > > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 > providing > > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of

N4 > so > > they can port it to the XBOX). > > > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware becauseI

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> > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around > the > > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > > time you blink. > > > > > >

I am talking about the full release. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] --------------------------------------------------- "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rhzl5.46188$t%[email hidden]... > Hello??? NH is a DEMO, don't say you won't get it cause the multiplayer is > bad, I can't get it to work in the demo, can you??????? > > Vintook > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:q3wl5.13806$[email hidden]... > > N3 is old, very old. ANd I will be honest even though Heat is a much > better > > game in almost every aspect, I would stick with N3 if I could only keep 1 > > on my hard drive. Can't beat the multplayer in N3. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > > > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see > how > > > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > > > > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current > > 'best > > > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy > release > > > N4 and I didn't see it? > > > > > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > > > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > > > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole > > Position > > > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 > > providing > > > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of > N4 > > so > > > they can port it to the XBOX). > > > > > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because > I > > > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around > > the > > > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > > > time you blink. > > > > > > > > > > > >

L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. Granted, it may not be the smartest thing to do... > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current'best > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release > N4 and I didn't see it? But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 years old very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends with World Circuit!!! > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari PolePosition > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4providing > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4so > they can port it to the XBOX). What the heck kinda pot-induced thinking is that????? > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing aroundthe > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > time you blink. Nope...you should wait until the next big game you really want to get comes out, see how it performs on given systems, and upgrade your system to match the best for that game, or however close you can get it with your budget...like if you were waiting for GPL to come out, you would later find out you would need a real modem for online play, lots and lots of processor (at the time, that was 450-500MHz) and a smokin 3dFX-based video setup (either a single or dual Voodoo2s at the time). NASCAR 4 may play better on GeForce type chipsets and processors pulling at least 600 MHz. Or it may only need more modern 3dFX setups and 500MHz processors. Or maybe it won't play worth a darn until you drop in a pair of Voodoo7s along with a GeForce 3 and a Athlon 2 3.5GHz chip... Sounds to me like you're just some punk kid who is too lazy to try and play a real sim... Kirk Lane [email hidden]

Well put. However, I won't go as far to say that N4 won't best Nascar Heat. In fact, I hope it does. That means we are _progressing_ and the competition is giving us better and better SIMS. Then, Nascar Heat 2 will best N4, and so on and so on. I don't mind spending $80 a year on the two best racing SIMS each and every year as long as we are heading in the right direction. -Larry "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current'best > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release > N4 and I didn't see it? > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari PolePosition > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4providing > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4so > they can port it to the XBOX). > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing aroundthe > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > time you blink. > >

The MultiPlayer in N3 is fine. The current _transport_ for that MultiPlayer is the pits. Until drivers are held accountable and scored/ranked for thier efforts AND stupidity on WON, it will continue to remain a demolition-derby Pickup Bar. The loss of TEN set us back huge folks. -Larry "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q3wl5.13806$[email hidden]... > N3 is old, very old. ANd I will be honest even though Heat is a muchbetter

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> game in almost every aspect, I would stick with N3 if I could only keep 1 > on my hard drive. Can't beat the multplayer in N3. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > --------------------------------------------------- > > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see

how > > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current > 'best > > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papyrelease

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> > N4 and I didn't see it? > > > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole > Position > > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 > providing > > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of

N4 > so > > they can port it to the XBOX). > > > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware becauseI

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> > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around > the > > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > > time you blink. > > > > > >

I think the point folks are trying to make is that N4 is vaporware. A non-existent product. We _can't_ compare Nascar Heat to N4, so we have to use the latest technology offered by that developer to the public. And that is N3. -Larry "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tkyl5.54$[email hidden]... > Okay, okay....I get the message. You don't have to get so upset! > <grin> > Point taken. (Wow, I didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers) By the way,I

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> didn't "diss" NH. I like it. I was just saying a more "comparativel" > evaluation would be against N4. > Or, Nascar 2000 <grin> > > -Cheers! > > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see

how > > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current > 'best > > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papyrelease

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> > N4 and I didn't see it? > > > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole > Position > > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 > providing > > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of

N4 > so > > they can port it to the XBOX). > > > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware becauseI

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> > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing around > the > > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > > time you blink. > > > > > >

"Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:P8Bl5.14263$[email hidden]... > The MultiPlayer in N3 is fine. > > The current _transport_ for that MultiPlayer is the pits. > > Until drivers are held accountable and scored/ranked for thier efforts AND > stupidity on WON, it will continue to remain a demolition-derby PickupBar. > > The loss of TEN set us back huge folks. > > -Larry > Have you tried OnlineRacing.net yet? I signed up last night, and was extremely impressed with the quality of the racing, both connection wise and the quality of the drivers. The interface leaves a lot to be desired, but the racing itself was absolutely outstanding compared to what I have seen going through Won. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566

You can't say the multiplayer is better in N3 over NH when you haven't even seen or tried NH's! That was my point. Unless of course you HAVE played NH multiplayer, if so please tell us about it. Vintook "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fXzl5.14229$[email hidden]...

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> I am talking about the full release. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > --------------------------------------------------- > > > "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rhzl5.46188$t%[email hidden]... > > Hello??? NH is a DEMO, don't say you won't get it cause the multiplayer

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> > bad, I can't get it to work in the demo, can you??????? > > > > Vintook > > > > > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:q3wl5.13806$[email hidden]... > > > N3 is old, very old. ANd I will be honest even though Heat is a much > > better > > > game in almost every aspect, I would stick with N3 if I could only

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> 1 > > > on my hard drive. Can't beat the multplayer in N3. > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin Anderson > > > [email hidden] > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > > > > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and

see > > how > > > > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > > > > > > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT thecurrent > > > 'best > > > > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy > > release > > > > N4 and I didn't see it? > > > > > > > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providingit

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> > > > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT > won't > > > > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole > > > Position > > > > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 > > > providing > > > > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version

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> > N4 > > > so > > > > they can port it to the XBOX). > > > > > > > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware > because > > I > > > > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing > around > > > the > > > > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner > every > > > > time you blink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Kirk Lane <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8n6l6p$4eg$[email hidden]... > > Sounds to me like you're just some punk kid who is too lazy to try andplay > a real sim... > > Kirk Lane > [email hidden] OH, you know you wanted to say some punk kid who is too lazy to try and play GPL??? What's the matter - don't like to lump yourself in that minority of GPL assholes whose shit doesn't stink? Because your SOOOOO RIGHT - Im 34 and I play GPL competitively but you know what....I don't care...I don't compare any games because I play what I like and I like what I play. I don't mind people saying they like this feature in one game and its not in another or the graphics look better but all this bullshit about ranking everything on the "GPL is REAL" scale, and now apparently on the "N4 is the best" scale, is a joke - N4 is not even out and NOBODY in RAS knows what it will be like. Swear how great N4 will be all you want but first go ask a GP2 fan what they think of Geoff Crammond now. > But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 years old > very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends withWorld > Circuit!!! Oh, and another thing...3 or 4 years old....hmmmm TRY about a YEAR you dumb fuck. Oh, but by YOUR logic then we can all stop comparing GPL to everything because ITS about that OLD. THANK GOD. FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST. All I was stating is that RAS has become a forum of children spouting off how "my dad could kick your dad's ass" instead of producing anything productive. It really is A FUCKING JOKE as were my comment about MS buying out Papy but I guess you didn't get that either.

WOW! Someone actually understood! Great job Larry for having a brain, unlike most of the respondants who didn't get it. Vintook "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AaBl5.14268$[email hidden]...

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> I think the point folks are trying to make is that N4 is vaporware. A > non-existent product. > > We _can't_ compare Nascar Heat to N4, so we have to use the latest > technology offered by that developer to the public. > > And that is N3. > > -Larry > > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tkyl5.54$[email hidden]... > > Okay, okay....I get the message. You don't have to get so upset! > > <grin> > > Point taken. (Wow, I didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers) By the

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> I > > didn't "diss" NH. I like it. I was just saying a more "comparativel" > > evaluation would be against N4. > > Or, Nascar 2000 <grin> > > > > -Cheers! > > > > > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > > > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see > how > > > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > > > > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current > > 'best > > > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy > release > > > N4 and I didn't see it? > > > > > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > > > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT

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> > > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari Pole > > Position > > > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4 > > providing > > > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of > N4 > > so > > > they can port it to the XBOX). > > > > > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware

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>Well put. > >However, I won't go as far to say that N4 won't best Nascar Heat. > >In fact, I hope it does. That means we are _progressing_ and the >competition is giving us better and better SIMS. > >Then, Nascar Heat 2 will best N4, and so on and so on. > >I don't mind spending $80 a year on the two best racing SIMS each and every >year as long as we are heading in the right direction. >

My sentiments exactly. Afterall ,these games are relatively cheap entertainment given how often you can enjoy them over and over again. Far better value than a movie or most other forms of entertainment. I like to see great games topped by even greater games every year.

LOL! Funny take on the situation, Don! My guess is that they may have actually delayed it to make sure that they have "control" of NEXT year's market. Look at all the killer sims we've seen THIS year -- NFSPU (which will probably be overshadowed by everything else, unfortunately), NH (mabye THE sim of the year), GP3 (the DISAPPOINTMENT of the year for many, sim of the year for others), F12000, NASCAR 2000 (which muddies the water and distracts consumer $$$ in the marketplace), plus all the rally sims, Motorcross Madness 2, and various others that I'm sure I've forgotten about already. I hope N4 does bowl us off our feet when it arrives -- GPL is truly a gem, so N4 should be as well, but it's going to be hard-pressed to match the playability and accessibility offered by NASCAR Heat. Which ain't bad, mind you . . . just imagine having a hardcore NASCAR sim available (N4), PLUS an equally-hardcore NASCAR sim that caters to playability, replayability, and the recreation of racing scenarios (the "Beat the Heat" portions) -- sounds like a win to me! -- JB In article <3vyl5.110224$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I am really impressed with the fact Papy is not rushing the productout now > to try and compete sooner with Heat, as I am sure a lot of developerswould

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> have been tempted to do. > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Nascar heat puts N3 to shame. > > Excellent demo in virtually every way. If N4 turns out to be

better, it > will > > not be by much. Perhaps the sudden release delay is in part due to > marketing > > considerations, given what an excellent product Nascar Heat happensto be. > > Maybe they need to tweak it a bit in order to gain some smalladvantage. I > > intend to by both, as I expect that both will be excellent games,with > minor > > plusses and minuses. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Hey, why don't you put up a "Profane Rant!" warning before you unload this four-letter rich putrefaction on everyone?? Maybe you and your family talk this way, but not everyone does. We can all like or dislike any sim we choose or do not choose, but why muck up otherwise valid personal opinions with potty-mouth excesses? I usually read your stuff, as I usually read EVERYONE'S, at least until I find it consistently taking me where I don't want to go. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Who is this rant aimed at? The majority of comments I see here about NH are very positive. "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7Lpl5.154286$[email hidden]... > I hear a lot of people dissing NASCAR HEAT saying to just wait and see how > it compares to NASCAR 4. Well, that is just plain STUPID. > > Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current'best > of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release > N4 and I didn't see it? > > No...N4 is not out yet and is not due out until Jan 2001 providing it > doesn't get delayed further - SO for all of you saying NASCAR HEAT won't > stand up to N4 .... I SAY YOUR WRONG because N4 will be Atari PolePosition > campared to NASCAR HEAT 2 (which may be out by the time we see N4providing > papy doens't get bought out by MS and end up killing the PC version of N4so > they can port it to the XBOX). > > Based on your logic I should never update any of my PC hardware because I > would want to wait to see how it compared to the next best thing aroundthe > corner...and as we all know NASCAR and PC technology turn a corner every > time you blink. > >

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> > In article <8n6l6p$4eg$[email hidden]>, "Kirk Lane" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> Why shouldn't we compare NASCAR Heat with N3??? Is N3 NOT the current > >'best > >> of class' NASCAR sim? Is N3 NOT papy's latest NASCAR sim? Did papy release > >> N4 and I didn't see it? > > > >But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 years old > >very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends with World > >Circuit!!! > > > > 3 or 4 years old? My copy of N3 is dated 1999. which version did YOU buy?

I think he means the game engine that N3 is based upon. -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

sorry about the potty mouthed rant but this place is really getting to me...maybe Ill just play my games and not worry about reading so much here unless I have a problem or idea (which should be what this place is all about - helping others) ...I guess its just that some of these people really bug me because all they want to do is cruxify games based on speculation and personal (usually inaccurate) opinions. Yeah, nothing wrong with personal opinions but I like mine to be at least grounded in reality and constructive. ANyWay - sorry - cheers - see you when we got some good news about the release of NH and some new cars and such. Glen Priest <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hey, why don't you put up a "Profane Rant!" warning before you unload > this four-letter rich putrefaction on everyone?? Maybe you and your > family talk this way, but not everyone does. We can all like or > dislike any sim we choose or do not choose, but why muck up otherwise > valid personal opinions with potty-mouth excesses? > I usually read your stuff, as I usually read EVERYONE'S, at least > until I find it consistently taking me where I don't want to go. > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network

* > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! >

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I think he means the game engine that N3 is based upon. Probably - although no-one buys a game engine.

> OH, you know you wanted to say some punk kid who is too lazy to try andplay > GPL??? What's the matter - don't like to lump yourself in that minority of > GPL a******s whose s**t doesn't stink? No, I didn't - I just said you didn't want to play a real sim and wanted to play something like NH instead. > > But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 yearsold > > very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends with > World > > Circuit!!! > > Oh, and another thing...3 or 4 years old....hmmmm TRY about a YEAR youdumb > f**k. Oh, but by YOUR logic then we can all stop comparing GPL toeverything > because ITS about that OLD. THANK GOD. FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST. Hmm...how old do you think the engine in N3 is? All they did in N3 is add pretty graphics to a tired old game engine (When did NASCAR 2 come out? Thank you.) and put more tracks in it. Notice I said effectively...N3 isn't 3 or 4 years old, but the part that really matters - the game engine - is. > All I was stating is that RAS has become a forum of children spouting off > how "my dad could kick your dad's a**" instead of producing anything > productive. Well you sure aren't helping. -- Kirk Lane [email hidden]

> >But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 yearsold > >very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends withWorld > >Circuit!!! > > > > 3 or 4 years old? My copy of N3 is dated 1999. which version did YOUbuy? > This...from Eldred? As in the St Eldred's Cup? I would never have thought. As far as I'm concerned, N3 may as well be 3 or 4 years old...still has that archaic old N2 engine. Never bothered trying GP3 as it sounds like more of GP2 with the N3 treatment... (besides, modern F1 sucks =) Sure, it has some pretty graphics (assuming you've got a good D3D or 3dFX card...N1999 - another repack of N2 - looked WAY better on my Rendition machine than N3 does on it now) but it feels the same to me whether it's in 320x400 or 1280x1024. -- Kirk Lane [email hidden]

In article <8n98vc$67v$[email hidden]>, "Kirk Lane" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> >But is comparing it to a game which is effectively a good 3 or 4 years >old >> >very smart either????? That's like comparing Grand Prix Legends with >World >> >Circuit!!! >> > >> >> 3 or 4 years old? My copy of N3 is dated 1999. which version did YOU >buy? >> > >This...from Eldred? As in the St Eldred's Cup? I would never have thought. >

Kirk, where have you been??? <g>

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>As far as I'm concerned, N3 may as well be 3 or 4 years old...still has that >archaic old N2 engine. Never bothered trying GP3 as it sounds like more of >GP2 with the N3 treatment... (besides, modern F1 sucks =) Sure, it has some >pretty graphics (assuming you've got a good D3D or 3dFX card...N1999 - >another repack of N2 - looked WAY better on my Rendition machine than N3 >does on it now) but it feels the same to me whether it's in 320x400 or >1280x1024.

Ok, the basic game engine. I can agree with that. You just said N3 was 3 or 4 years old. N3 was to N2 what GP3 'seems' to be to GP2. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >> 3 or 4 years old? My copy of N3 is dated 1999. which version did YOU buy? > > > >I think he means the game engine that N3 is based upon. > Ah, ok. He didn't say that, though...<g> >-- >Chuck Kandler > >Windows--computing for the Unwashed MassesHeyy...! :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >This...from Eldred? As in the St Eldred's Cup? I would never havethought. > > > Kirk, where have you been??? <g> > > >As far as I'm concerned, N3 may as well be 3 or 4 years old...still hasthat > >archaic old N2 engine. Never bothered trying GP3 as it sounds like moreof > >GP2 with the N3 treatment... (besides, modern F1 sucks =) Sure, it hassome > >pretty graphics (assuming you've got a good D3D or 3dFX card...N1999 - > >another repack of N2 - looked WAY better on my Rendition machine than N3 > >does on it now) but it feels the same to me whether it's in 320x400 or > >1280x1024. > > Ok, the basic game engine. I can agree with that. You just said N3 was 3or 4 > years old. N3 was to N2 what GP3 'seems' to be to GP2. OK, maybe I should have been a bit clearer...but all of the N2 derivatives feel the same to me, just like N2. I would imagine that if I bothered to try GP3 it would just feel like more GP2 to me (and I never really did like GP2!). Just keep giving me GPL and sims based from it instead of N2 and I will be happy =) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:44:15 GMT Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote: % I am really impressed with the fact Papy is not rushing the product out now % to try and compete sooner with Heat, as I am sure a lot of developers would % have been tempted to do. Release date may be more a marketing ploy than actually development needs. The date translates to the start of the 2001 NASCAR season. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=