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F1 World Grand Prix

Tony Rickar

F1 World Grand Prix

by Tony Rickar » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Take out opinions and RAS would be lacking in posts (and appeal). After a
while each and every one of makes a judgement as to which opinions to take
notice of (and there are many here).

Bare facts often tell us little. How do you describe graphics and sound?
What looks great to one may not appeal to another. Physics models are judged
by feel. The bare facts are listed in the specs of the games (plus a load of
hype). RAS provides the opinions of how those bare facts translate to
gameplay, realism and comparison to other sims of a similar ilk.

Unfortunately, at times these opinions become extreme and turn into a
defensive justification of an opinion - which quickly become of little use
to the community at large. That is human nature.

Pretty much everything written on RAS is an opinion. Perhaps IMHO should be
an assumption we should add TIAF (This is a fact) when quoting genuine
facts. It would appear less (IMHO!) :-)

Having said all that opinions ought to be backed up with some form of
justification - simply saying it sucks or is ***is not very helpful
advice. Although generally the justification will also be subjective.

Tony


> Your OPINION is only relevant to you. That applies to anyone. Opinions are
> subjective.
> However, if you set out in a readable fashion a list of FACTS relating to
> the game after you had tried it, that list certainly would have been
> beneficial to all.
> Facts are objective.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:09:53 +0200, Jo Helsen

> > >Why waste so many words on it? Next time just post "It sux!".
Adequately
> informs
> > >the reader about the relevance of the opinion.

> > Considering I have owned almost every F1 sim in existence I would say
> > my opinion is very relevant. But, you are right, sux would have
> > sufficed in relation to F1WGP.
> > --
> > Nos

Bruce Kennewel

F1 World Grand Prix

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

"Attacked"? Where were you attacked?  He simply stated that he was amazed
that a conclusion could be arrived at in five minutes. He wasn't amazed at
the conclusion, only the speed at which it was reached!
Anyway.....sorry for any misunderstanding.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:56:46 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >Nos, you are making the terribly egocentric assumption that everyone has
(or
> >should have) the same likes and dislikes as you do.  We don't.  What
might
> >not appeal to you may be acceptable, even enjoyable, to another.....and
vice
> >versa.

> >Show just a smidgin of tolerance, mate.  There's no point in verbally
> >pounding the bejesus out of a fellow gamer simply because he likes what
you
> >don't!

> I did no such thing. I simply voiced my opion of a game and then was
> attacked for it. I didn't need more than five minutes with FIWGP to
> see it's rubbish, IMO. But, I never verbally abused anyone. Must be
> that Ozzie to english translation thing.
> --
> Nos

Bruce Kennewel

F1 World Grand Prix

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Your OPINION is only relevant to you. That applies to anyone. Opinions are
subjective.
However, if you set out in a readable fashion a list of FACTS relating to
the game after you had tried it, that list certainly would have been
beneficial to all.
Facts are objective.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:09:53 +0200, Jo Helsen

> >Why waste so many words on it? Next time just post "It sux!". Adequately
informs
> >the reader about the relevance of the opinion.

> Considering I have owned almost every F1 sim in existence I would say
> my opinion is very relevant. But, you are right, sux would have
> sufficed in relation to F1WGP.
> --
> Nos

No

F1 World Grand Prix

by No » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:46:37 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

OK, I wasn't attacked...more like prodded. But, I never attacked him
either. Just backed up my comment about only needing five minutes to
judge the game.
--
Nos

No

F1 World Grand Prix

by No » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:56:20 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

Someone asked for opinions. Therefore; I posted my opinion. What part
of opinion don't you understand? Or is it necessary to state that this
is my opinion every time? I also backed it up with facts on my second
post. Maybe I should download F1WGP just so that I can scientifically
dissect it and prove my "crap" comment even further, but it would be
just a waste of my time. It doesn't require more then five minutes to
judge. Just like I can listen to Britney Spears music for five minutes
and see it's ***I can easily do the same with games of the same ilk.
--
Nos

jbo..

F1 World Grand Prix

by jbo.. » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00



That's easy, Bill -- it's not GPL!  Given that, I'm amazed it took five
whole minutes . . .

</SARCASM></IRONY>

-- JB

> Bill Yowell



> > thus spoke:

> > >Hi.
> > >Has anyone tried this demo? Is it worth the download? I saw it at
> > >www.3dfiles.com.

> > I downloaded it and I deleted it five minutes later. Compared to F1
> > 2000 it is crap.
> > --
> > Nos

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jbo..

F1 World Grand Prix

by jbo.. » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00



> P.S. I forgot to mention that the***pit view is really***poor and
> looks like a kids toy compared to F1 2000.

Really?  I thought the***pit view in F1WGP was much better than F1
2000 -- it reminds me a lot of the***pit view in GPL (or maybe a bit
more like the optional "rollbar" cam hacked***pit view in GPL).  The
in-cockpit view in F1 2000 just looks TOO close to the ground to me,
although it probably is pretty accurate based on the actual height/size
of an F1 car.

-- JB

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No

F1 World Grand Prix

by No » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Yes, I think a real F1 car is very close to the ground while sitting
in the***pit. But, I was more specifically talking about the user
feedback, readouts etc.
--
Nos

Jo Hels

F1 World Grand Prix

by Jo Hels » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


>On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:56:20 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>>Your OPINION is only relevant to you. That applies to anyone. Opinions are
>>subjective.
>>However, if you set out in a readable fashion a list of FACTS relating to
>>the game after you had tried it, that list certainly would have been
>>beneficial to all.
>>Facts are objective.

>Someone asked for opinions. Therefore; I posted my opinion. What part
>of opinion don't you understand? Or is it necessary to state that this
>is my opinion every time? I also backed it up with facts on my second
>post. Maybe I should download F1WGP just so that I can scientifically
>dissect it and prove my "crap" comment even further, but it would be
>just a waste of my time. It doesn't require more then five minutes to
>judge. Just like I can listen to Britney Spears music for five minutes
>and see it's ***I can easily do the same with games of the same ilk.

Surely if you listen to music often it must have occured to you that
sometimes it requires several hearings to appreciate it?

Anyway: anyone will respect even a negative opinion, as long as it is
backed up by sensible arguments.

The whole point was that the opinion was extremely negative and
apparently based on a very short investigation. It simply gives the
impression that you weren't willing to give it an honest chance. If
you don't want to invest that minimal ammount of attention, fine. But
then you better not bother to post this kind of "impression" either!

JoH

Bruce Kennewel

F1 World Grand Prix

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

(snip)
How do you describe graphics and sound?
What looks great to one may not appeal to another.
(unsnip)

Exactly my point!

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> Take out opinions and RAS would be lacking in posts (and appeal). After a
> while each and every one of makes a judgement as to which opinions to take
> notice of (and there are many here).

> Bare facts often tell us little. How do you describe graphics and sound?
> What looks great to one may not appeal to another. Physics models are
judged
> by feel. The bare facts are listed in the specs of the games (plus a load
of
> hype). RAS provides the opinions of how those bare facts translate to
> gameplay, realism and comparison to other sims of a similar ilk.

> Unfortunately, at times these opinions become extreme and turn into a
> defensive justification of an opinion - which quickly become of little use
> to the community at large. That is human nature.

> Pretty much everything written on RAS is an opinion. Perhaps IMHO should
be
> an assumption we should add TIAF (This is a fact) when quoting genuine
> facts. It would appear less (IMHO!) :-)

> Having said all that opinions ought to be backed up with some form of
> justification - simply saying it sucks or is ***is not very helpful
> advice. Although generally the justification will also be subjective.

> Tony



> > Your OPINION is only relevant to you. That applies to anyone. Opinions
are
> > subjective.
> > However, if you set out in a readable fashion a list of FACTS relating
to
> > the game after you had tried it, that list certainly would have been
> > beneficial to all.
> > Facts are objective.
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------



> > > On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:09:53 +0200, Jo Helsen

> > > >Why waste so many words on it? Next time just post "It sux!".
> Adequately
> > informs
> > > >the reader about the relevance of the opinion.

> > > Considering I have owned almost every F1 sim in existence I would say
> > > my opinion is very relevant. But, you are right, sux would have
> > > sufficed in relation to F1WGP.
> > > --
> > > Nos

Bruce Kennewel

F1 World Grand Prix

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

(snip)
What part
of opinion don't you understand?
(unsnip)

Hey!  Ease up on the acid, pally!!
I'm not denigrating your manhood or insulting a family member!
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:56:20 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >Your OPINION is only relevant to you. That applies to anyone. Opinions
are
> >subjective.
> >However, if you set out in a readable fashion a list of FACTS relating to
> >the game after you had tried it, that list certainly would have been
> >beneficial to all.
> >Facts are objective.

> Someone asked for opinions. Therefore; I posted my opinion. What part
> of opinion don't you understand? Or is it necessary to state that this
> is my opinion every time? I also backed it up with facts on my second
> post. Maybe I should download F1WGP just so that I can scientifically
> dissect it and prove my "crap" comment even further, but it would be
> just a waste of my time. It doesn't require more then five minutes to
> judge. Just like I can listen to Britney Spears music for five minutes
> and see it's ***I can easily do the same with games of the same ilk.
> --
> Nos

No

F1 World Grand Prix

by No » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


thus spoke:

Certainly. But, it only takes me 2 seconds to loisten to Britney
Spears and her ilk to known it is shit. Same applies to certain games.

I did give it a minimal amount of time. Five minutes was all it took.
Compared to F1 2000 it's the dog's breakfast. And I'll post when and
whatever I feel like.
--
Nos

Goy Larse

F1 World Grand Prix

by Goy Larse » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:52:42 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >(snip)
> >What part
> >of opinion don't you understand?
> >(unsnip)

> >Hey!  Ease up on the acid, pally!!
> >I'm not denigrating your manhood or insulting a family member!

> Pally? Mate? You are coming across with aggressive overtones. I take
> exception to that.

Aw cmon Nos, give us a hug mate :-)

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No

F1 World Grand Prix

by No » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:52:42 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

Pally? Mate? You are coming across with aggressive overtones. I take
exception to that.
--
Nos

Tony Rickar

F1 World Grand Prix

by Tony Rickar » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Bruce Kennewell

Tony Rickard

Bruce Kennewell

<pedantic mode on>
Ah so you meant back up your opinions with reasoned argument rather than
facts?
<pedantic mode off>

:-)

Tony


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