rec.autos.simulators

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

Tony Joh

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

by Tony Joh » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I've been sitting over in news.groups for a while now as the RFD is
undergoing official discussion, and so far NOT ONE of the RFD
supporters outside of myself and Ed Martin have posted a SINGLE
advocating vote.

Guys, I don't care either way how this comes out.  I took up the RFD
because I wanted to see it done right and legitimately, but if it
doesn't pass I won't lose sleep over it.  This is YOUR show.  Come
over to news.groups and comment on the Re: RFD: rec.autos.simulators
reorganization thread.
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Glenn Davi

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

by Glenn Davi » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I think this probably has to do with no-one (myself included) knowing
what to do. I was expecting a post on here in a couple of weeks asking
for votes - the RFD seemed to suggest that that was all that would
happen.

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Michael E. Carv

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

by Michael E. Carv » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00

: Guys, I don't care either way how this comes out.  I took up the RFD
: because I wanted to see it done right and legitimately, but if it
: doesn't pass I won't lose sleep over it.  This is YOUR show.  Come
: over to news.groups and comment on the Re: RFD: rec.autos.simulators
: reorganization thread.

I second that "emotion".  This is your newsgroup and it may be changing.
So take a little time and contribute to its/your future.  I know alot of
you have already voiced your opinions here is r.a.s., but it really
needs to be said in news.groups.  This is how the process works.  What
you said here won't carry over to the real process unless you make your
voice heard in news.groups.

thanks

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Richard Walk

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

by Richard Walk » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00



>I think this probably has to do with no-one (myself included) knowing
>what to do. I was expecting a post on here in a couple of weeks asking
>for votes - the RFD seemed to suggest that that was all that would
>happen.

_All_ Usenet users should subscribe to "news.announce.newusers" and
"news.answers" for a month or so. A lot of very useful info is put out
on these groups including items such as how to (re)organise a Usenet
newsgroup and the process that should be followed.

Anyway, discussion of the RFD takes place in "news.groups" (_not_
r.a.s!). The call for votes will be announced in
"news.announce.newgroups". I suggest that you subscribe to these two
newsgroups if you wish to take part in the process.

Richard

Keepe

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

by Keepe » Sat, 10 Aug 1996 04:00:00


But it's only really necessary if you feel there's something that
should be changed about the proposal.  Simply a few posts of "good
idea" and a lack of "bad idea" posts can be enough, particularly,
I should wager, when the amount of sim racing discussion is evident.
In the case of the newsgroup I created (rec.music.ragtime), there
was absolutely no place where the topic was discussed, but only
because there was no place appropriate.  We had to point out that
indeed there were people out there who'd want to see the group,
but had only a few supportive posts during the discussion period.

In a way that's like when rec.autos.simulators was made. There was
no one place for sim racers to congregate, so we mostly were hidden
away drowned out in various computer game and motorsport newsgroups,
just as ragtimers were drowned out in piano and (though it pains me
to say it) jazz newsgroups, neither of which were appropriate.  We
did have a bit of discussion about what the name should be (like
perhaps rec.autos.sport.simulators since rec.autos.sport was for
racing).  I suggested rec.autos.simulators be the name, so as to
leave it open-ended for non-racing automotive simulations.  (Always
a good thing to present a wider possible area of discussion to the
people on news.groups who argue and vote over groups they'll have
no interest in, because a wider area of possible discussion makes
them more likely to vote in your favor.)

Another amusing parallel... People who didn't understand the topic
kept asking if perhaps we'd best fit in the comp.sys.ibm-pc.games
hierarchy. We had to tell them no, because these aren't games,
and no, because we don't want to be platform-specific.  For r.m.r,
it was a case of people wanting to stick us in the rec.music.bluenote
hierarchy.  Really!  Ummmmm...  Ragtime has no blue notes, thank you
very much!  Had to inform people that, if anything, jazz is a form
of ragtime -- not the other way around!  Anyway, in both cases, those
of us who know what we're talking about ended up getting our groups
created.

Back to the topic at hand...

In actuality, the discussion period is just a "wait and see if
anyone has major objections that should be addressed" time.  Even
if not a word is posted, that won't stop you from moving ahead to
the voting stage, because nothing posted means there were no
objections to the concept/name.

Still, should someone -- like one of the news.groups junkies who
doesn't understand what we're about but thinks he knows what's best
for Usenet -- post some kind of objection, it's good if those of us
who do know the subject can jump in to its defense.  So, check out
news.groups if you possibly have the time.  If things still are
arranged the way they used to be, if you don't have time, subscribe
at least to news.announce.newgroups which is a moderated group
displaying calls for votes and vote results, so you can at least
see the CFV when it comes and make your vote.  It's been a few years
since I was one of those aforementioned news.groups junkies, though,
so it might've been restructured by now...

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Kyle Steve

RFD Progress: Where is everyone?!

by Kyle Steve » Sat, 10 Aug 1996 04:00:00



>I think this probably has to do with no-one (myself included) knowing
>what to do. I was expecting a post on here in a couple of weeks asking
>for votes - the RFD seemed to suggest that that was all that would
>happen.

Sorry, we've been racing!  Got to generate some experience to know
what we're talking about when it comes to the newest arrival to the
sim racing arena...(if I said "GP2" that would mean I'd have to
comment on r.a.s.gp2, and that would be an interesting diversion...)

Kyle ;)


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