rec.autos.simulators

RM has very dated looking graphics. The courses are nice but sparse. The
cars however, are just plain bad - right down to their damage and mud
splats. In car view is horrible...I mean, worse than SCGT bad. Rain is also
bad. If RC's graphics are a 10 then this game comes in at 5-6. Sega Rally 2

title?

All the courses are short, even the rally stages. Compared to RC the rally
sections of this game are flat out boring. The cars seem to have decent
physics model...be it close to the same for all cars and defenitely wrong
for FWD cars...but very doable for this type of arcade game. Those of you
missing CMR style sliding - this will fill that void. Very hard to roll
however, and if you do they are back up in a split second and your going
again. After 3 stages I had only minor damage and after repairs had 17
minutes left...wow...wouldn't see that in RC.

This game excells when it comes to the cup race and ss. You can race in
several ss against another car or race in a RM Cup against 3 others on the
same track. Although the AI is not GPL quality it is far better than RC.
Many of the other drivers seem to like hard contact though, luckily catching
up is not a big problem as they like to take each other out also.

Stil haven't had a chance to do online racing which is supposedly where this
game will excell..

All and all this is a pretty fun title that will please those who had higher
hopes for Sega Rally 2. Those of you looking for a hard core sim to take the
place of RC will have to keep on looking becuase this game doesn't come
close in any department  (unless you count arcade mode.)

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I found the car behaviour much more realistic than CMR and even better than
RC2000 also because of the better controls. RC2000 steering was either too
sensitive or had a huge deadzone even if tweaked to the max. The effects of
braking are much more convincing in RM than they are in RC2000. Also, the
crash physics seem to be much better balanced - in RC2000, your car could
get launched 30 meters in the air if you hit a daisy flower that happened to
be rock solid. RM leaves no doubt that everything is determined by your
actions, not by miscalculations the program.

again, judging from the demo I have higher hopes, I think it will excel both
as a hard core sim and an arcade racer, which is very rare these days.

cheers,
Alex

The bad point in RC2000 is the car physics ! And the more important think to me
is
the car physics, then graphics, then sound.

Try a championship season and you'll see that crashes really affect car and
dynamic.
You can damage your engine ( loss off power), your gear box : dependent to the
damage the gear can dropes, or you can loose somme gears. You can damage
the suspension : loose of grip, car handle badly, or over handle .
And you have only 30min to repair when a complete loose of gear cost you more
than that !

As CMR you can cut turns , except  if copilote say to NOT cut turn , every time
i try
to cut a turn when the copilote say to NOT cut, i nearly or totally bumped into
a
rock or tree :o). The tracks are not wide as RC2000 but as far as CMR.
And i did NOT recomand you to go out of track if it is tramac . When you are at
high
speed with a WRC and one of you rear wheel touch the grass ==> spin at 180 :o)

I just want to say that because games are a lot dependant to our liking then you
had
to test the full version ...because the Sweden track in the demo is not
representative of the tracks.

Even with keyboard you can feel the grip and the weight of the car, that's why
it's so great
to drive in RM.

regards,

Seb

Or have I done something wrong?

--
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards

DK-2700 Bronshoj - Denmark

As in real life.

They're not rallying on dual carriageway's after all :P

Please remove my_pants when replying.

regards,

Seb.

"Zonky" wrote
Sure rally tracks are narrow, but I find it very hard to go sideways at all
within the track without either clipping the bank on the inside or going
wide off the track itself onto the grass or whatever.

Hence I cannot achieve the sideways slides which real rally drivers do on
real tracks within the track width.

In the rally masters demo the physics seem geared to sideways driving
(possibly overdone) but the replays look more like the real thing than in
RC2000, with pendulum swings a possibility.

My view is that getting the car sideways should probably be harder work to
achieve than rally masters, but RC2000 track width prevents the sideways
approach. As such I find rally masters the more satisfying experience.

Tony