Alex Cameron
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don
New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/
Dave C.
> > Alex Cameron
> I could, by no means, be considered a fast driver in GPL, I think my
GPLRank
> will attest to that!<g>, but I do have a lot of experience with the LWFF.
I
> bought one on the day they first appeared in the shops, use it daily, and
> recently purchased a second one as a spare. Months ago, at the suggestion
of
> a poster in this group, I turned off the profiler software and found that
my
> control in GPL was vastly improved and my lap times dropped. It feels to
me
> that with the software on, there is a small amount of deadzone in the
> steering which made steering transitions difficult. I miss being able to
> assign buttons in the profiler, but the added car control is worth losing
> the extra bells and whistles and the Force Feedback effects still function
> as normal.
> --
> don
> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/
I set it 3 quarter to 4 fifths to the left. I prefer it loose so that I have
full control but going all the way makes the car a bit wobbly.
force_feedback_damping = 100.000000
force_feedback_latency = 00.0050000
max_steering_torque = 240.000000
Overall effects strength 130%
Spring Effect 50%
Damper Effect 100%
The game controller effects seem to vary from one computer to another
however. The effects I set on my main machine (PII400) are unusable on my
older P233.
--
don
New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/
DC
> > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to
in
> > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers?
> > Dave C.
> force_feedback_damping = 100.000000
> force_feedback_latency = 00.0050000
> max_steering_torque = 240.000000
> Overall effects strength 130%
> Spring Effect 50%
> Damper Effect 100%
> The game controller effects seem to vary from one computer to another
> however. The effects I set on my main machine (PII400) are unusable on my
> older P233.
> --
> don
> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/
DC
> DC
> > > Just curious Don or anyone else...What do you have your sliders set to
> in
> > > your game controller section and what are your core.ini numbers?
> > > Dave C.
> > force_feedback_damping = 100.000000
> > force_feedback_latency = 00.0050000
> > max_steering_torque = 240.000000
> > Overall effects strength 130%
> > Spring Effect 50%
> > Damper Effect 100%
> > The game controller effects seem to vary from one computer to another
> > however. The effects I set on my main machine (PII400) are unusable on
my
> > older P233.
> > --
> > don
> > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> > http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/
JensSchumi
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LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/
GPLRank: -8.3
DC
> JensSchumi
> >I've always run gpl with my LWFF with a medium sensitivity setting in the
> >logi controle pannel and full left on the slider in GPL with a 15:1
setting
> >in the setup. I've just started to play with the settings a bit and
chainged
> >the logi controle to med/high and the setup to 20:1 and it feels better
to
> >me the car feels easyer to drive and it's easyer to hold lines. What
> >settings do other people use, also do any of the realy fast drivers with
the
> >logi use forced feedback?
> >Alex Cameron
> ---------------------------------------------
> LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
> http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/
> GPLRank: -8.3
If I recall right, it was about:
Damping 20
latency 0,05
force 150
Please don't overestimate those settings.
I just changed from a China wheel to an older Taiwan one and had to re-invent my
whole settings. IMO core,ini stettings are not transferable.
see you
JensSchumi
>DC
GPLRank: -8.3
LATENCY:
This is essentially how far into the future (in seconds) the GPL software
predicts what forces will be needed and sends them to your wheel, thereby
overcoming latency. I determined the latency setting by driving over curbs
repeatedly and adjusting the value until all four wheels produced individual
FF effects in sync with what I was seeing from an outside view of the car.
MAX STEERING TORQUE:
This is an interesting one. This is not actually the maximum torque your
wheel will produce, but is instead the *THRESHOLD* at which your wheel
produces it's maximum force. Let's just pick some numbers out of the air to
illustrate the point. Let's say the GPL software models the torque of
shifting
at high revs at 50N, fish-tailing through a corner at 200N, and a complete
wipe out at 300N. If you were to set your max steering torque threshold at
"50" all of these effects would be equally powerful as all would produce
the maximum amount of torque possible. So if you set this threshold value
too low the car is virtually undrivable and there is little distinction
between the various forces. If you set this threshold value too high (say
2000), you'll lose all steering torque altogether as no steering torque
force will ever reach the threshold necessary to trigger maximum effect. In
this example, setting the value to 300 would allow you to feel a marked
gradation between these 3 very different effects.
So how do you set this for your system? First set damping in both the
windows controller panel and the GPL core.ini to 0. We don't want to mess
with damping right now. From a dead stop turn your wheel to full left or
right lock, take your hands off the wheel, and then gradually accelerate.
If the front wheels (and steering wheel) do not center under forward
momentum and your car continues in a perpetual circle, then the threshold
value is too high. If instead, the wheel suddenly snaps to center and or
see-saws ***ly, then you have the threshold set too low. If the forward
momentum of the car very gradually brings the front wheels (and the steering
wheel) into forward alignment, as you would expect in a real world car with
manual steering, then you've got the threshold value just about right.
Adjusting the threshold to a level that just barely produces a centering
effect at low speeds will result in a very drivable car and nice subtle
tactile inputs that will cue you as to the status of your vehicle. Now here
is the part that really throws people: the Max Steering Torque threshold
*ONLY* affects *STEERING TORQUE FORCE* or the forces related to engine
torque, torque caused by maneuvering through corners, wheel centering
torque, etc. It does *NOT* affect any of the forces related to crashing
into guardrails or driving on grass. For some odd reason, known only to
Papyrus, these latter type of effects are only affected by the damping
setting.
DAMPING:
This, contrary to some reports, does in fact do what it says. It causes
increased "friction" or "viscosity" in the movement of the wheel and
therefore also tends to lessen some FF spikes. But here's where it gets a
bit strange. You'll find that as you increase the damping value, and the
friction on the wheel, you also increase the forces felt when driving on
grass or slamming into rails. I recommend adjusting this value just high
enough to barely feel a subtle difference between pavement and grass when
one single wheel drops off the road. Using this as a guide, you'll be able
to tell with your eyes closed if all four wheels are on the road. Hitting
curbs will feel realistic, guard rails will give you a jolt (but usually
allow you to correct), and the wheel will not be so tight that you begin to
lose torque effects.
The key to good driving and useful tactile information is subtlety in each
of these FF settings. Remember, GPL is not an arcade game!
Finally, in the Windows controller panel, I personally have Force Effects
set at 100% and dampening effects to 0% (you've already adjusted dampening
in the GPL core.ini so adding more damping in the controller panel will just
result in reduced less subtle effects). I like to use full linear steering
in GPL with a steering ratio of 15:1. These latter two settings are purely
a matter of taste, but you should keep in mind that they may effect the way
you feel the forces at work in your wheel or at least the way your car
responds as torque is placed on the wheel. Once you find a car setup that
suits your driving style you may want to tweak the core.ini FF settings to
match your setup.
Hope this helps.
--
Chris "Ambulater" Lee
"Don't Bother Running.........You'll Just Die Tired."
Reviews at www.sim-arena.com
One thing I have to add:
Other sources on the net state to reduce spiking by increasing damping.
Spiking can also be initiated by too high latency.
JensSchumi
alot of interesting stuff
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http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/
GPLRank: -8.3
--
Chris "Ambulater" Lee
"Don't Bother Running.........You'll Just Die Tired."
Reviews at www.sim-arena.com
> One thing I have to add:
> Other sources on the net state to reduce spiking by increasing damping.
> Spiking can also be initiated by too high latency.
> JensSchumi
> alot of interesting stuff
> ---------------------------------------------
> LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
> http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/
> GPLRank: -8.3
