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Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

David Kar

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by David Kar » Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:00:42

some thoughts on all this:  Maybe it'd be helpful to think in terms of a
"window" or "space" separating driving *close* to optimum performance and
actually *at* it.  My sense (mine only) is that the greater the slip angles,
drift capabilities, difference between straight-line speeds and cornering
speeds, etc., the easier it will be for an "average" capable racing driver
to get closer to the latter.  That "space" will be larger, easier to
inhabit, as the car gives more sustained (and answerable) signals that it is
on the verge of breaking loose, etc.

So a question arises: what developments have altered that space?

In this scenario, one might see the "easyness" factor as something that has
been oscillating, ever since the arrival of wings, radial tires (which gave
far less signal than old bias-ply), carbon-fiber brakes, complicated
aerodynamics, mega-horsepower, paddle-shifting, (the arrival and dissipation
of various tire wars), active-suspension, throttle control, grooved tyres,
etc.

Why should there be one linear graph over time of "easiness-to-drive"?
Wouldn't it be more likely that, if indeed graphed (by what variables?), it
would more likely be a rather jagged line?

We need to step away from "heros of the past" vs "heroes of the present."  I
think some of this reflects a constant narrative in almost any look
backwards: "them were gods in those days."  And of course, its equally
unreflective reply about the present.


ymenar

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by ymenar » Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:47:52


> Some people have already replied and apparently do think the article was
> interesting.

Yeah and what makes you think I did not?

And they are exactly what they are, opinions and debates.  You tried to pass
originally this thread as "Voila, you see you are all wrong and I'm always
right".  And I sure gave you an opinion that for anybody who does a routine
job and excels at it (whatever it's past or previous F1 racecar drivers),
it's sure easy for them.  But the skill has changed.

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Rodne

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by Rodne » Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:17:47



> > Doesn't sound like Lauda found it very easy at all.

> Yeah so?   Trying to fish lure somebody here? Nice try...

Eh, I think it was posted with a smile.
Niki hasn't exactly been making himself a lot of admirers in the last year
or two with all his outspoken comments which sometimes appear to be total
rubbish but he just wants his spoke in as a "former 3 time world champ" and
thus deserves all our respect.
The fact that he took on the challenge, said to me and I'm sure a lot of
others that he wanted to give both his drivers a swift kick in the behind by
"easily" pushing their own lap times.
Its with a little chuckle that we see he hasn't faired so well.

Yeah, Niki was a great driver and all but you have to think that this little
outing might humble him a little. I don't think he knew what he was getting
into and it seemed like he genuinely believed he might push both team
members.

Rodne

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by Rodne » Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:21:21



> > Some people have already replied and apparently do think the article was
> > interesting.

> Yeah and what makes you think I did not?

I don't think he ever suggested otherwise. Yet if you did... why do you see
it as bait?

ymenard. .. I don't want to take sides here or anything but it seems liek
your fighting a loosing battle. David is a regular on these boards and far
from a troll. It was relevant to the group and an interesting detail from
the great amout of codswallop that we hear about modern F1 cars being too
easy to driver. Something we do hear a lot which translates into how real
our sims are.

Jens H. Kruus

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by Jens H. Kruus » Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:35:35



Rodney, you *don't* want to enter into this vendetta. Mr. Fisher and Mr. Menard
have a history of sniping. I have been unable to find their earliest battles on
Google, but as far as I know, they go way back. Personally, I have agreed and
disagreed with each of them in the past and they are both basically "good guys"
with strongly voiced opinions.

Every newsgroup has at least one pair of duelists. Such is Usenet.

Cheers,
Jens

Tony Rickar

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by Tony Rickar » Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:49:32

Sniping? I am sure a few rocket launchers have been seen at times. I am
sure they both enjoy it.

I really miss John Wallace from this group. Very erudite but so cutting
in his remarks.

Cheers

Tony

Robin Lor

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by Robin Lor » Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:38:51

I found this interesting...

Lauda found the Jaguar R2's handling to be more progressive than the F1 cars
he was used to.
"Then, you had very high grip up to a certain point beyond which it would
just let go!"

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Mikkel Gram-Hanse

Modern F1Cars Easy To Drive?

by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:11:44

I bet that the earliest battle between these gentlemen is Googles secret
milestone.
Once that event has been indexed in their usenet archive they will stop,
nothing more to do ;)

Mikkel

PS: and yes I tend to agree and disagree with both on a regular basis ;)


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