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PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

JEB

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by JEB » Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:00:00




> [snip]
> >> Fastvid doesn't seem to give my card a boost. (Vspeed is 19MB with
> >> Univbe)Is there an advantage running from a boot disk?

> >I have an Intel Venus PP-200 with Matrox millenium, and I get much
> >better performance than this.  Are you using fastvid?  If not, you
> >should.  Without it, I get 29 MB/S using the vidspeed test, with it
> >I get 93 MB/S.  Of course, the Matrox comes with a special version of
> [snip]

> My PPro 200 also performs below others. It's a custom-built system with an
> Intel ATX mb (Natoma chipset), 32 megs ram, and a Diamond Stealth 64  2
> meg VRAM. I have a theory that the Matrox Millenium works better with the Pro
> than other cards, it seems to blow them all away. I have tried Fastvid and
> UniVBE, they made no difference with my Diamond. My roommate has a Gateway P166
> with a Matrox, if he agrees to it i'm going to try his card in my computer.

I suspect you might be correct about the Matrox and the PPro.
I have a 4 meg Matrox and my scores on all the latest benchmarks
going around lately, GP2, LONGBOW, CHRIS'S, QUAKE...etc, my system
outperforms the Non-Matrox PPros too.

JEB

Scott Pritche

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Scott Pritche » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00


I have an Intel Venus PP-200 with Matrox millenium, and I get much
better performance than this.  Are you using fastvid?  If not, you
should.  Without it, I get 29 MB/S using the vidspeed test, with it
I get 93 MB/S.  Of course, the Matrox comes with a special version of
Nascar, which produces a rock-solid 30 FPS, even with all cars and
every possible option turned on.  GP2 claims that it can produce
25.6 FPS with all (non-mirror) details on, but I run it without sky
texture to prevent the occasional slowdown in traffic.  Using the new
1.0.2 version of Indycar which has an FPS display (ctrl-F), I get a
solid 30/31 FPS in every situation.

Every one of the "hungry" DOS games I've tried on this system has
performed very well.  Even a system like this won't last long though,
all you have to due is up the resolution to 1280x1024 and you can
bring any of today's PCs to their knees.

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Scott Pritchett

Double Clut

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Double Clut » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00



[snip]
>> Fastvid doesn't seem to give my card a boost. (Vspeed is 19MB with
>> Univbe)Is there an advantage running from a boot disk?

>I have an Intel Venus PP-200 with Matrox millenium, and I get much
>better performance than this.  Are you using fastvid?  If not, you
>should.  Without it, I get 29 MB/S using the vidspeed test, with it
>I get 93 MB/S.  Of course, the Matrox comes with a special version of

[snip]

My PPro 200 also performs below others. It's a custom-built system with an
Intel ATX mb (Natoma chipset), 32 megs ram, and a Diamond Stealth 64  2
meg VRAM. I have a theory that the Matrox Millenium works better with the Pro
than other cards, it seems to blow them all away. I have tried Fastvid and
UniVBE, they made no difference with my Diamond. My roommate has a Gateway P166
with a Matrox, if he agrees to it i'm going to try his card in my computer.

Ray

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Ray » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00



> > I have had a Dell PPro200 (32MB RAM) for about a month now, and have
> > racked up some serious hours on the GP2, Nascar, INdy, and NFS tracks.
> > Although I was really interested in a MGA video card, Dell only offered
> > the 2MB #9 ViRGE or Imagine.  I stuck with the cheaper ViRGE since I was
> > thinking of replacing it anyway.  I run the sims as deedicated DOS
> > sessions after booting to Win95.  On certain tracks Nascar is choppy
> > with everything on, ICR does much better, and GP2 runs best with most
> > textures off and trackside detail one notch down during races.  PO still
> > can push 200% at Monaco at full detail, but was over 300 on my 486.
> > Fastvid doesn't seem to give my card a boost. (Vspeed is 19MB with
> > Univbe)Is there an advantage running from a boot disk?

> I have an Intel Venus PP-200 with Matrox millenium, and I get much
> better performance than this.  Are you using fastvid?  If not, you
> should.  Without it, I get 29 MB/S using the vidspeed test, with it
> I get 93 MB/S.  Of course, the Matrox comes with a special version of
> Nascar, which produces a rock-solid 30 FPS, even with all cars and
> every possible option turned on.  GP2 claims that it can produce
> 25.6 FPS with all (non-mirror) details on, but I run it without sky
> texture to prevent the occasional slowdown in traffic.  Using the new
> 1.0.2 version of Indycar which has an FPS display (ctrl-F), I get a
> solid 30/31 FPS in every situation.

> Every one of the "hungry" DOS games I've tried on this system has
> performed very well.  Even a system like this won't last long though,
> all you have to due is up the resolution to 1280x1024 and you can
> bring any of today's PCs to their knees.

> --
> ---------------
> Scott Pritchett


Do you think Pentium Pro 200 on Intel Venus board with Hercules Dynamite
128 video card woudl be better than havine Matrox Millenium card?  I
haven't seen any cbench scores on Hercules board yet and that's why I'm
asking your advice.

Thanks!
Ray

David Schi

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by David Schi » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>I have had a Dell PPro200 (32MB RAM) for about a month now, and have
>racked up some serious hours on the GP2, Nascar, INdy, and NFS tracks.
>Although I was really interested in a MGA video card, Dell only offered
>the 2MB #9 ViRGE or Imagine.  I stuck with the cheaper ViRGE since I was
>thinking of replacing it anyway.  I run the sims as deedicated DOS
>sessions after booting to Win95.  On certain tracks Nascar is choppy
>with everything on, ICR does much better, and GP2 runs best with most
>textures off and trackside detail one notch down during races.  PO still
>can push 200% at Monaco at full detail, but was over 300 on my 486.
>Fastvid doesn't seem to give my card a boost. (Vspeed is 19MB with
>Univbe)Is there an advantage running from a boot disk?

Possibly, if using fastvid from a dos boot increases vspeed's score.
Unless you can run fastvid from Win95's DOS.  I don't use Win95 much,
just NT4 and DOS.  However, the increase of vspeed's score in not
really indicative of the results in GP2, my scores were in the mid
20MB to high 70MB from vspeed without and with fastvid, but GP2 only
achieved a couple of fps more.  (BTW, my system is Supermicro PPro 200
with MGA).

You should be getting higher scores from fastvid and Vspeed though,
maybe Win95 DOS is preventing it.

Timo Arman

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Timo Arman » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00

:
: Do you think Pentium Pro 200 on Intel Venus board with Hercules Dynamite
: 128 video card woudl be better than havine Matrox Millenium card?  I
: haven't seen any cbench scores on Hercules board yet and that's why I'm
: asking your advice.
:

I have Intel Venus PPro 233MHz(oc) svga-cbench scores (FASTVID loaded)
are Millenium= 92.4, Hercules 64(ARK2000pv)= 92.6, Dynamite 128= 92.7
and Mystique 90.2.

GP2 with millenium VGA all graphics turned on and 25.6 fps in Monaco max
processor occ. was 90% (vga cbench= 388.5)

Svga without clouds and mirrors texture and 19.2 fps max p. occ. was 110%

 -Tiska

Scott Pritche

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Scott Pritche » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Hello Timo,

What are the jumper settings for a 3.5 X clock multiplier on the
Venus?  The manual that came with my MB only describes the settings
for up to 200 MHz.

Thanks,
skp

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Scott Pritchett

Denni

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Denni » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00




> > Do you think you're doing this guy some kind of favor by telling him
> > thisuseless Cyrix propaganda.  The only creaming going on was in your
> > pants when you got your cheapo processor.  Any objective computer > expert would recommend the Intel processors over the Cyrix.  The only > place the Cyrix h

> > GP2 does use 32-bit code and it will run the fastest on a Pentium Pro.
> > Just because something works well for you doesn't mean it is the best
> > solution.  Get a life.

> > Dana Bailes

> Me get a life? Gee, when last I checked GP2 ran on DOS, also, when last
> I checked, DOS was 16-bit. That means GP2 is 16-bit and will run just as
> fast on a Pentium or Cyrix as on a PPro (clock rates being equal). Or
> does your 8-bit brain have a problem with that.

> I'll tell ya what, Test them yourself, if you have access to all three
> sets of components, and you will see what I mean. Unless you're speaking
> from what you've read instead of what you've seen.

> I don't acutally own a Cyrix. I have a Intel P200. But the Cyrix p200+
> is faster just about on everything. I've tested 2 PPro 200's and they
> scream on NT and 32-bit Win95 apps, but are no better than my P200 on
> DOS based games.

> Botch

Yes, GP2 runs in DOS and DOS is 16 bit, but when GP2 is actually run from
DOS it runs an extender which tucks away DOS and allows the processor to run
in protected mode which is 32-bit. Hence, the Pentium Pro is faster than the
P200. As a few examples, my computer (PPRO 200) gets 21 fps in Quake in 640
x480, 81.1 on Chris Dial's 3D bench, and an occupancy at the start of Quick
Race (Italy, position 6) of 92% with all forward textures on except sky, only
smoke in the mirrors, and a frame rate of 18.2. I am curious if your P200
blows those results away??
Brian Wong - Enterprise Engineering - SMCC Serve

PPro 200 vs Pent P200 vs Cyrix P200+

by Brian Wong - Enterprise Engineering - SMCC Serve » Sun, 29 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>Me get a life? Gee, when last I checked GP2 ran on DOS, also, when last
>I checked, DOS was 16-bit. That means GP2 is 16-bit and will run just as
>fast on a Pentium or Cyrix as on a PPro (clock rates being equal). Or
>does your 8-bit brain have a problem with that.

>I'll tell ya what, Test them yourself, if you have access to all three
>sets of components, and you will see what I mean. Unless you're speaking
>from what you've read instead of what you've seen.

>I don't acutally own a Cyrix. I have a Intel P200. But the Cyrix p200+
>is faster just about on everything. I've tested 2 PPro 200's and they
>scream on NT and 32-bit Win95 apps, but are no better than my P200 on
>DOS based games.

Well, after having checked with a bunch of DOS game developers, the concensus
is that most of that code under DOS4GW would be running in 32-bit mode.

And I'm dead sure about ICR2, since I asked and got a point blank answer.

--

Brian Wong                              Enterprise Engineering


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