rec.autos.simulators

by **Don Chapma** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Did anyone notice that the author of this article, specifically targets
Nascar and "Good Ol Boys" throughout the article, then conveniently lists
CART, IRL, and F1 drivers in his "NASCAR funeral pyre" list. In his zeal to
criticize Nascar and rednecks, he even misspells Jeff Krosnoff(CART driver
killed at Toronto in 1996), as "Jedd".

I am confused at the point of this article. It is pointed at Nascar, but the
writer obviously dislikes auto racing in general. He even goes so far as
implying that Government should ban it, but that they are swayed by the big
money auto industry. What? Does the author not realize the world-wide
popularity of auto-racing? Would he have the world ban Formula 1, CART, IRL,
superbikes, motocross, sports car racing, sprint cars, endurance racing,
drag racing, dirt track racing, karting, rally racing, touring cars, etc.?
Yes, some forms of auto racing may be more "dangerous" than others, but all
forms of racing have risk involved.

And if dangerous sports should be outlawed, what about all the X-treme
sports? They are surely as dangerous, with far less safety standards and
regulations than any major motorsport. Boxing, hockey, football, hunting,
water-skiing, what next? Yes, maybe the dangers and risks are less in those
sports, but they do exist. How many college and pro american football
players have been fully or partially paralyzed in the last 20 years?

This point of this article is not clear, outside of the authors dislike of
auto-racing. You can question what constitutes "sport" all day long. That is
opinion. Every person, country, and culture have their favorites. What I
consider "sport" and what you consider "sport" may be competely different.
However, if you have a passion and love for it, nothing I can say or show
will dissuade you. And with motorsports you are talking about multi-millions
of fans world-wide. Worse yet, the tone of this article is in poor taste.
Anyone who follows Nascar at all knows that from all appearances Kyle Petty
truly loved his son, and Adam loved his Dad and family. This kid was mature
far beyond his years, and he seemed to love auto-racing. It is a sad story
whether you like auto-racing or not.

Don Chapman

> A certain media person for a certain newspaper in Massachusetts, not
> only throws the death of Adam
> Petty back in our faces, but says that it's a good reason to get rid of
> the '***baths' we call auto racing,and that
> it's not really a sport anyway. Want to read it? Go here,
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> and then if you feel like commenting to

> It has come to my attention that some of the auto racing community has
> gone as far as obtaining the phone #s
> to the newspaper. If you would like to leave a message or talk to
> someone at the paper who has published such
> garbage here are a few of the numbers, 1-800-678-6880 or in MA
> 1-508-793-9350
> Also a Rhode Island # was donated. Not really sure what it might be
> since the paper is in MA , but I was told that
> it was on the "Writer's" voice mail. 1-401-766-4467

by **David Kar** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I find it odd that David G. on one hand protests against the stereotyping of
people from San Francisco, etc., as being "gay," (I applaud DGF's attitude
there, BTW), and then indulges in a vicious round of generalizations of his
own about Nascar fans. I'm glad Mr(Ms.?) "LegendNo6" answered DGF's
"points" so superbly.

I lived in Alabama for most of my young life, and for a long time I indulged
in many of these stereotypes (about gays as well as about "rednecks" and
Nascar).

I then grew up and found those opinions to be vile garbage.

--DK

PS But I agree w/DGF about WWF!

by **Scott B. Huste** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

David,

REALITY - Try and touch it sometime.

Scott
PA-Scott
PowerSims.com

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450

by **LegendNo** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I wrote this replay late, and should have signed my real name. Mr. Fisher
had the guts to sign his real name, which is commendable on a newsgroup such
as this where everyone has an opinion. I should give him the same courtesy.

Dave McCarson (aka LegendNo6)

fact
<snip>

by **Andrew Turne** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Well, for starters, I like to sometimes open up a bottle of Mondavi Fume
Blanc ('97, preferably.) I'll toss a little field greens salad with chevre
and walnut balsamic dressing while I grill a little salmon with a sour
cream and chive cream sauce.

I'll sit at the table and read through a couple art and design mags (ID,
of course), and maybe look through the Williams-Sonoma catalog for some
kitchen stuff I'd like to try. (Crepe pans are mail-order only, but two
for $10 is a great deal - they have to be seasoned, though.) My wife likes
the dishtowels, and they're a good deal too.

Did you know there is a Louise Nevelson stamp issue now?

Well, other times we like to look through our gardening books, and decide
what to add to the landscaping around our house.

I play chess with my friends (whom I beat often) and against the computer
(my butt? kicked.)

I play around with building architectural spaces in Minicad, then render
them in Lightscape, which provides photoreal radiosity rendering
(calculated reflected light from all surfaces) just for kicks.

I do some of my *** web work, designing a site for a nuclear
engineering company.

And you know what?

I'll sit on our modern leather couch and study my Nascar 3 manual, trying
to figure out how to get a better setup. I'll flip on Speedvision
(condolences to those of you who don't get it yet) and hope to see some
Nascar stuff. Formula One instead? Fine with me. Rally racing? Cool.

It's easy for me to appreciate the esoteric values in racing.
Unfortunately, we have idiots like the guy who wrote the article - was he
paid for that? Hell, I can talk out my ass for a few bucks too. Maybe
they're hiring.

It's people like that who don't realize the cars aren't simply
factory-fresh with an engine upgrade, and don't realize that it's not just
driving around in circles. Individuals like this do not have the capacity
to understand or appreciate the engineering endeavors needed to make
machines do this, and therefore, do not really have the capacity to
understand anything deeper than the surface on pretty much any issue. Or
maybe they're just lazy.

Well, sorry for the rant. I'm off to eat some roadkill.

Andrew

PS... My wife and I went to San Francisco last year.... yep, sure enough,
everyone is gay and loves Nascar. Maybe it's the rainbow.

by **David R. Ericso** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Mr. Fisher,

Allow me to "bluntly express my opinions" of you. Most of your posts are
idiotic. You are an ignorant twit, and a prejudiced snob.

It is quite fun to be able to bluntly express my opinions like this. Thank
you for leading the way to bluntly expressed opinions! ;-)

Dave Ericson
"MomoBoy"
JDB Racing

> I guess he's trying to imply that people from those areas are "gay" and
> therefor can't understand NASCAR. Actually, the people from those areas are
> likely to be well educated and successful. Not too many hicks live 'round
> them there parts.

> Everyone is entitled to their opinions including the writer of that article,
> r.a.s. readers, and myself. A number of people in this thread feel it's ok
> to rip that writer apart for his views. Well, then it's certainly ok for me
> to bluntly express my opinions of NASCAR.

> I agree with most of what the writer had to say about NASCAR and it's fans.
> For those who live outside of the U.S., you might be unaware as to how
> NASCAR is viewed by many Americans. Do you know what the WWF is? It's that
> bulls**t, fake, wrestling garbage that unfortunately pollutes the airwaves.
> NASCAR and the WWF are often referred to as siblings, or even
> interchangeable. Yes, the fans ARE typically hicks and beer worshipers. The
> drivers are not athletes. How could a bunch of old, chubby, good ol' boys be
> athletes? One of the U.S.'s top sports radio stations is near where I live,
> and NASCAR is NEVER mentioned, except to be made fun of when a Billy Bob is
> foolish enough to call in.

> Sorry, but NASCAR IS considered a joke to the majority of Americans. The
> writer knows that. I know that. The only one's who don't know that, or are
> too full of beer to care, are it's crash crazy fans.

> WWF and NASCAR. Happy together.

> David G Fisher

> > > It's from MA, probably Boston(?). that explains it all. San
> > > Fran.
> > >would be the other place that wouldn't need any explanation for it.
> > <snip>

> > Er - eh? Could you explain that for those of us unfamiliar with US
> > regional attitudes?
> > --
> > David.
> > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> > really."
> > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **Chuck Kandle** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

> I agree with most of what the writer had to say about NASCAR and it's fans.
> For those who live outside of the U.S., you might be unaware as to how
> NASCAR is viewed by many Americans. Do you know what the WWF is? It's that
> bulls**t, fake, wrestling garbage that unfortunately pollutes the airwaves.
> NASCAR and the WWF are often referred to as siblings, or even
> interchangeable. Yes, the fans ARE typically hicks and beer worshipers. The
> drivers are not athletes. How could a bunch of old, chubby, good ol' boys be
> athletes? One of the U.S.'s top sports radio stations is near where I live,
> and NASCAR is NEVER mentioned, except to be made fun of when a Billy Bob is
> foolish enough to call in.

Thanks for making Mike's point very clear indeed. A bunch of
blue-***ed, limp-wristed elitists who can't be bothered to come down
to the "common man's" level occasionally. My apologies to all the
"normal" people from this region of the US.

WTF is this? Not in any area I ever lived in at one time or another,
which has been over 10 states. This one cannot be substantiated. And
my friends & I don't drink either.

--
Chuck Kandler #70
K&S Racing
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/;Come on & join the fun!

They'll call you names
And spit in your face,
But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

by **Chuck Kandle** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

AND too, I cannot stomach the WWF...

--
Chuck Kandler #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at:
http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun!

They'll call you names
And spit in your face,
But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

by **snakehand** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

>Do you know what the WWF is? It's that
>bulls**t, fake, wrestling garbage that unfortunately pollutes the airwaves.
>NASCAR and the WWF are often referred to as siblings, or even
>interchangeable.

So all the NASCAR stuff I've watched over the years is fixed? Man never
landed on the moon either i suppose? In your own words, please tell me why
you dont like NASCAR?? Saying you dont like it's fans wont be enough, and
will only make you look silly. Oh, and BTW, have you ever watched a NASCAR
race - live or on tv?

Just so I can further explore your mind, could you tell me which form of
motorsport....if any.....you do like?

by **Todd Sorense** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I never knew about the relationship between gays and NASCAR. It makes sense
though.

by **Todd Sorense** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Actually not true. There are a lot of gays in the SF area. If you don't
think so, you are wrong baby.

> I find it odd that David G. on one hand protests against the stereotyping
of
> people from San Francisco, etc., as being "gay," (I applaud DGF's attitude
> there, BTW), and then indulges in a vicious round of generalizations of
his
> own about Nascar fans. I'm glad Mr(Ms.?) "LegendNo6" answered DGF's
> "points" so superbly.

> I lived in Alabama for most of my young life, and for a long time I
indulged
> in many of these stereotypes (about gays as well as about "rednecks" and
> Nascar).

> I then grew up and found those opinions to be vile garbage.

> --DK

> PS But I agree w/DGF about WWF!

> > I guess he's trying to imply that people from those areas are "gay" and
> > therefor can't understand NASCAR. Actually, the people from those areas
> are
> > likely to be well educated and successful. Not too many hicks live
'round
> > them there parts.

> > Everyone is entitled to their opinions including the writer of that
> article,
> > r.a.s. readers, and myself. A number of people in this thread feel it's
ok
> > to rip that writer apart for his views. Well, then it's certainly ok for
> me
> > to bluntly express my opinions of NASCAR.

> > I agree with most of what the writer had to say about NASCAR and it's
> fans.
> > For those who live outside of the U.S., you might be unaware as to how
> > NASCAR is viewed by many Americans. Do you know what the WWF is? It's
that
> > bulls**t, fake, wrestling garbage that unfortunately pollutes the
> airwaves.
> > NASCAR and the WWF are often referred to as siblings, or even
> > interchangeable. Yes, the fans ARE typically hicks and beer worshipers.
> The
> > drivers are not athletes. How could a bunch of old, chubby, good ol'
boys
> be
> > athletes? One of the U.S.'s top sports radio stations is near where I
> live,
> > and NASCAR is NEVER mentioned, except to be made fun of when a Billy Bob
> is
> > foolish enough to call in.

> > Sorry, but NASCAR IS considered a joke to the majority of Americans. The
> > writer knows that. I know that. The only one's who don't know that, or
are
> > too full of beer to care, are it's crash crazy fans.

> > WWF and NASCAR. Happy together.

> > David G Fisher

> > > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> > > really."
> > > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **Eldre** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

>I agree with most of what the writer had to say about NASCAR and it's fans.
>For those who live outside of the U.S., you might be unaware as to how
>NASCAR is viewed by many Americans. Do you know what the WWF is? It's that
>bulls**t, fake, wrestling garbage that unfortunately pollutes the airwaves.
>NASCAR and the WWF are often referred to as siblings, or even
>interchangeable. Yes, the fans ARE typically hicks and beer worshipers. The
>drivers are not athletes. How could a bunch of old, chubby, good ol' boys be
>athletes? One of the U.S.'s top sports radio stations is near where I live,
>and NASCAR is NEVER mentioned, except to be made fun of when a Billy Bob is
>foolish enough to call in.

>Sorry, but NASCAR IS considered a joke to the majority of Americans. The
>writer knows that. I know that. The only one's who don't know that, or are
>too full of beer to care, are it's crash crazy fans.

>WWF and NASCAR. Happy together.

>David G Fisher

Why do you insist on generalizing? I neither drink, nor wish to see any
crashes. I do however, enjoy seing close competition. That includes Nascar,
IRL, CART, and others. I can't STAND the WWF, though.

Eldred
--
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by **David Kar** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

No, it is you who are wrong. Wrong, because the basic point simply whizzed
over yer lil' head.

Of COURSE there are a lot of gay people in SF--especially 'round Castro.
The stereotyping occurs when one makes the jump to uncritically attributing
m***and aesthetic qualities to that *** orientation.

duh,

DK

by **David Kar** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

You aren't exactly quick-witted, are you?

--DK

by **David Kar** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Yes, let's all give DGF a little more attention. It's all he wants, I fear.

guilty, myself,
DK

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