rec.autos.simulators

by **HockeyTownUS** » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:42:22

My NFS:PU always gives me an error when I exit. I have a V5500 AGP

> > Bummer.

> > I really liked that card, but Need For Speed froze last night.
> > I had to do a power off reboot. Everything except Delta force
> > behaves exactly the same way, as soon as the sim tosses up any
> > graphic requiring the 3D processor.

> I also have a V5, though it is a PCI version. I don't know if it is
> connected, but the demo for Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed did
something
> pretty drastic to my system the first time I ran it. It froze, requiring
a
> reboot, whereupon I was informed that I would need to reinstall Windows
> (Win98SE) :( Thirty minutes later, I had completed this task, only to be
> presented with the same message! I could only get into safe mode, and
> nothing I did in there seemed to help. Being a non-techie, the only way I
> knew how to deal with it was to reformat the C: drive and start from
> scratch. Not quite as drastic as it sounds in my case, as I had only just
> put the system together the week before. Nevertheless I was well along
with
> software reinstallations and this was irritating in the extreme.

> > First, how do I remove the 3DFX drivers? I don't see
> > anything in the program add/remove menus that looks like Voodoo
> > drivers.

> 3dfx Tools should be in there, and I believe you need to remove those.
> AFAIK, you can then remove the drivers from Device Manager. The 3dfx card
> should revert to standard VGA drivers, and you can then reinstall the
Voodoo
> drivers and 3dfx Tools. I think that's how it goes. (That's probably
what
> I should have done instead of reinstalling Windows, but I did what I was
> told).

> I hope you get it sorted out. NFS is never going anywhere near my system
> again.

> --
> Paul

by **Larry Lindstro** » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:47:47

> My V5 5500 Died

Sorry HockyTown. What did you do about it?

Just finished watching Band of Brothers.
I definetly recommend it to everyone.

Larry

by **Smedle** » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:59:53

> NFS fails like this. A small, quarter screen on
> my 1600 x 1200, NFS startup window pops up, if auto-
> starting from the CD this window has a menu, where
> you click "play". After this screen the game
> blanks briefly and then NFS goes full screen with
> some animation, blue letters come flying onto the
> screen and a movie of Porsches terrorizing the
> neighborhood in low resolution if I remember
> correctly. I think it's just playing a pre-recorded
> cut sceens and I doubt any 3D graphics processing is
> involved. It's this blanking between the small
> startup window and the full screen where the display
> stays blank. <CTL-ALT-DEL> and ending the task will
> get things back to the desktop.

> Anyway, I appreciate your suggestion, got any more?

> Thanks
> Larry

Try alt.games.need-for-speed newsgroup.

by **Senec** » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:02:45

[ . . .

One of the NFS games (Not sure which one, but I think the one just before
Hot Pursuit) ran on my GeForce2 GTS but with a few ugly graphics anomalies,
especially in the wheels. I think the NFS games for the most part were best
suited to Voodoo cards.

I have Hot Pursuit (got it bundled with something or other) but haven't
tried it yet on any machine. Which version of NFS are you having the trouble
with?

You might want to try the latest reference drivers from nVidia's site rather
than whatever it is Visiontek is supplying. But my guess is your NFS just
prefers Glide.

I have one machine with a Voodoo3 just for games like that.

Seneca

by **Larry Lindstro** » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:32:54

> [ . . .
> > When I started NFS, the screen went blank shortly
> > after starting, before any 3D graphics come up, and
> > that was all that NFS does with the MX. I've tried a
> > variety of drivers from Visiontek's site. I've tried
> > 16 bit color and the only items in IRQ [ . . . ]

> One of the NFS games (Not sure which one, but I think the one just before
> Hot Pursuit) ran on my GeForce2 GTS but with a few ugly graphics anomalies,
> especially in the wheels. I think the NFS games for the most part were best
> suited to Voodoo cards.

> I have Hot Pursuit (got it bundled with something or other) but haven't
> tried it yet on any machine. Which version of NFS are you having the trouble
> with?

> You might want to try the latest reference drivers from nVidia's site rather
> than whatever it is Visiontek is supplying. But my guess is your NFS just
> prefers Glide.

> I have one machine with a Voodoo3 just for games like that.

> Seneca

Thanks Seneca:

Does it run on your GTS? I think my buddies can live with
some minor weirdness.

Here is the plan for today. Take the GF 2 MX 400 back to
CompUSA, swap in a GF 3. I wonder what a P3/600 will do with
it.

If that doesn't work, there are still a few V5/5500s to be
found on the net. I just didn't have time to get one Saturday.
I'll put my old V5 back in the PC. It seems to be OK if I
don't try to go 3D with it. I've been hired to move a program
I developed on Solaris over to Windows, so I'll be able to
work with the old card and expect the new V5 to arrive before
next Friday. And I'll return the GF 3 to CompUSA, because the
GF3 Ultra MIGHT be coming out before I get whatever AMD is
selling early next year. Or we may all be driving and flying
with ATI Radions.

I appreciate everybody's help.

Thanks
Larry

by **Chris Townsen** » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:50:08

Don't know about a 600 but I had my GF3 in an 800 for a week and it was
still seriously fast, I think you will do fine.

> > [ . . .
> > > When I started NFS, the screen went blank shortly
> > > after starting, before any 3D graphics come up, and
> > > that was all that NFS does with the MX. I've tried a
> > > variety of drivers from Visiontek's site. I've tried
> > > 16 bit color and the only items in IRQ [ . . . ]

> > One of the NFS games (Not sure which one, but I think the one just before
> > Hot Pursuit) ran on my GeForce2 GTS but with a few ugly graphics anomalies,
> > especially in the wheels. I think the NFS games for the most part were best
> > suited to Voodoo cards.

> > I have Hot Pursuit (got it bundled with something or other) but haven't
> > tried it yet on any machine. Which version of NFS are you having the trouble
> > with?

> > You might want to try the latest reference drivers from nVidia's site rather
> > than whatever it is Visiontek is supplying. But my guess is your NFS just
> > prefers Glide.

> > I have one machine with a Voodoo3 just for games like that.

> > Seneca

> Thanks Seneca:

> Does it run on your GTS? I think my buddies can live with
> some minor weirdness.

> Here is the plan for today. Take the GF 2 MX 400 back to
> CompUSA, swap in a GF 3. I wonder what a P3/600 will do with
> it.

> If that doesn't work, there are still a few V5/5500s to be
> found on the net. I just didn't have time to get one Saturday.
> I'll put my old V5 back in the PC. It seems to be OK if I
> don't try to go 3D with it. I've been hired to move a program
> I developed on Solaris over to Windows, so I'll be able to
> work with the old card and expect the new V5 to arrive before
> next Friday. And I'll return the GF 3 to CompUSA, because the
> GF3 Ultra MIGHT be coming out before I get whatever AMD is
> selling early next year. Or we may all be driving and flying
> with ATI Radions.

> I appreciate everybody's help.

> Thanks
> Larry

by **Senec** » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:21:38

[ . . . ]

I'm not sure what you mean by "it," Larry. As mentioned, the NFS version I
used, which I think was the one before Hot Pursuit, ran on my GTS but with
some graphics problems. The problems didn't interfere with play but did make
it ugly in some respects, e.g. black polygons appearing in the wheels. I
haven't yet used any later version of NFS, and I don't know what version
you're using.

My guess is that anything that runs on the GeForce2 GTS will also run on the
MX, and vice versa, since they are based on the same chip architecture. I
don't really know that, just presuming. But I can tell you that Midtown
Madness is simply unplayable on EITHER my GTS or MX, and it behaves exactly
the same way on both: it starts out fine, but within a couple of minutes big
polygons of various colors start popping up all over the screen, and this
rapidly gets worse until you just can't see what you're doing. But the same
game runs just fine on my Voodoo3, no problems of any kind. This is somewhat
surprising because it doesn't use Glide at all.

There seem to be some games that just do not like the GeForce2 chipsets.
Jane's WWII Fighters ran fine on my TNT, but produces unsightly blue
triangles on the horizon when run on a GeForce2 (either one). Also, Crimson
Skies (which is known to be a horrendously buggy game anyway) will not run
on my GTS. It goes through all the intro stuff and cut scenes, but crashes
almost immediately after the first mission starts. It does this every time,
both before and after the 1.02 patch. (It runs fine on my Voodoo3 for about
ten missions. Then there's a mission on which it crashes every time. So
that's going back to the store. Microsoft's 30-day guarantee is the best
thiing about Crimson Skies.)

What version of NFS are you having the problem with?

Seneca

by **Larry Lindstro** » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:18:24

Thanks Seneca:

The NFS we're playing is Porsche Unleashed, or
Porsche 2000 as it's called in europe.

I walked into CompUSA and they graciously
refunded the $130.00 USD for the Geforece 2 MX400.

If I was going to walk out of there with a
$400 Geforce 3, with the similar architecture
and perhaps event the same drivers it didn't seem
reasonable for me to risk returning it after
hurtling it against the same sim. They wouldn't
mind if I wanted to bring my PC in. They would
try to install the Geforce 3 and if it failed in
the store, no problem. But as I mentioned, this
PC is a tool of my trade, I couldn't leave it
at CompUSA for a day or two, which was how long
they wanted to keep it.

Anyway... I just ordered an OEM Voodoo 5/5500
for $153. This is a card in a box, no CD, no
paperwork. This is the best chance of running the
game, and I'll save my pennies for a new PC with
whatever the hot card is.

Thanks to everybody.

Larry

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