rec.autos.simulators

> funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a dim view of
> FIRSTs rumoured series.

> I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote from
Kaemmer
> "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers". I think
youll
> find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the game
because
> it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor the larger
> group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit where he's
> talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> pez

> > March 100 PAGE Edition!

> > Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday evening (GMT).

> > The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to Print 3
> > Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to Print 10
> > Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks (Sim)
Racing
> 13
> > The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally now Online
> 22
> > Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
> > Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's Latest Offering
> 31
> > Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend David Gould
> 48
> > The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods 57
> > The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
> > The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
> > In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
> > In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
> > Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
> > AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
> > FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing with GTR !
95

> > Regards,

> > Jon.

> "Buying the code and claiming rights to everything about the game,
including
> the EULA is akin to buying Tolkiens typewriter and saying you have the
> rights to Lord of the Rings".

> What a load of rubbish, which i think sums up part of our communities
> misunderstanding of whats happening.

> Hows this?

> They buy the original Lord of the Rings manuscript and ownership of the
> copyright.

> There are guys out there at the moment who seem to be up in arms because
> (still running with the LOTR analogy here) they have been told they can no
> longer change the 2nd chapter of the book and publish it themselves.

> The Pits would just be releasing code that modifies a few words here and
> there, and im quite interested to see how that pans out.

> And since when was R.A.S a Google group? ;)

> pez

> > funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a dim view
of
> > FIRSTs rumoured series.

> > I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote from
> Kaemmer
> > "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers". I think
> youll
> > find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the game
> because
> > it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor the
larger
> > group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> > Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit where he's
> > talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> > pez

> > > March 100 PAGE Edition!

> > > Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday evening
(GMT).

> > > The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to Print 3
> > > Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to Print 10
> > > Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks (Sim)
> Racing
> > 13
> > > The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally now
Online
> > 22
> > > Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
> > > Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's Latest
Offering
> > 31
> > > Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend David
Gould
> > 48
> > > The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods 57
> > > The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
> > > The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
> > > In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
> > > In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
> > > Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
> > > AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
> > > FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing with GTR
!
> 95

> > > Regards,

> > > Jon.

> To continue the analogy - broadcast networks buy (or license) the right to
> show a movie, say LOTR, on TV.  But do the original copyright holders--the
> people who wrote, financed, produced, directed, finished and distributed
the
> movie--have the right to complain when the networks alter the
"executable"?
> That is, when the network re-edits the film for length, or to fit the
> screen, or to delete language, or even to 'colorize' a b/w movie?  (The
> obvious answer is: No, they do not.)

> > "Buying the code and claiming rights to everything about the game,
> including
> > the EULA is akin to buying Tolkiens typewriter and saying you have the
> > rights to Lord of the Rings".

> > What a load of rubbish, which i think sums up part of our communities
> > misunderstanding of whats happening.

> > Hows this?

> > They buy the original Lord of the Rings manuscript and ownership of the
> > copyright.

> > There are guys out there at the moment who seem to be up in arms because
> > (still running with the LOTR analogy here) they have been told they can
no
> > longer change the 2nd chapter of the book and publish it themselves.

> > The Pits would just be releasing code that modifies a few words here and
> > there, and im quite interested to see how that pans out.

> > And since when was R.A.S a Google group? ;)

> > pez

> > > funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a dim view
> of
> > > FIRSTs rumoured series.

> > > I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote from
> > Kaemmer
> > > "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers". I think
> > youll
> > > find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the game
> > because
> > > it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor the
> larger
> > > group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> > > Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit where
he's
> > > talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> > > pez

> > > > March 100 PAGE Edition!

> > > > Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday evening
> (GMT).

> > > > The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to Print 3
> > > > Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to Print 10
> > > > Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks (Sim)
> > Racing
> > > 13
> > > > The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally now
> Online
> > > 22
> > > > Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
> > > > Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's Latest
> Offering
> > > 31
> > > > Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend David
> Gould
> > > 48
> > > > The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods 57
> > > > The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
> > > > The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
> > > > In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
> > > > In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
> > > > Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
> > > > AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
> > > > FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing with
GTR
> !
> > 95

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jon.

> that obviously depends on the license that the broadcaster has
purchased.

> Id guess Steven Spielberg would go ape if a network who had purchased
the
> rights to show Jurassic Park had filmed a scene with a Giant Panda
and
> inserted it halfway through the movie to "make it better".

> pez

> > To continue the analogy - broadcast networks buy (or license) the
right to
> > show a movie, say LOTR, on TV.  But do the original copyright
holders--the
> > people who wrote, financed, produced, directed, finished and
distributed
> the
> > movie--have the right to complain when the networks alter the
> "executable"?
> > That is, when the network re-edits the film for length, or to fit
the
> > screen, or to delete language, or even to 'colorize' a b/w movie?
(The
> > obvious answer is: No, they do not.)

> > > "Buying the code and claiming rights to everything about the
game,
> > including
> > > the EULA is akin to buying Tolkiens typewriter and saying you
have the
> > > rights to Lord of the Rings".

> > > What a load of rubbish, which i think sums up part of our
communities
> > > misunderstanding of whats happening.

> > > Hows this?

> > > They buy the original Lord of the Rings manuscript and ownership
of the
> > > copyright.

> > > There are guys out there at the moment who seem to be up in arms
because
> > > (still running with the LOTR analogy here) they have been told
they can
> no
> > > longer change the 2nd chapter of the book and publish it
themselves.

> > > The Pits would just be releasing code that modifies a few words
here and
> > > there, and im quite interested to see how that pans out.

> > > And since when was R.A.S a Google group? ;)

> > > pez

> > > > funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a
dim view
> > of
> > > > FIRSTs rumoured series.

> > > > I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote
from
> > > Kaemmer
> > > > "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers".
I think
> > > youll
> > > > find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the
game
> > > because
> > > > it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor
the
> > larger
> > > > group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> > > > Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit
where
> he's
> > > > talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> > > > pez

> > > > > March 100 PAGE Edition!

> > > > > Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday
evening
> > (GMT).

> > > > > The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to
Print 3
> > > > > Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to
Print 10
> > > > > Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks
(Sim)
> > > Racing
> > > > 13
> > > > > The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally
now
> > Online
> > > > 22
> > > > > Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
> > > > > Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's
Latest
> > Offering
> > > > 31
> > > > > Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend
David
> > Gould
> > > > 48
> > > > > The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods
57
> > > > > The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
> > > > > The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
> > > > > In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
> > > > > In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
> > > > > Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
> > > > > AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
> > > > > FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing
with
> GTR
> > !
> > > 95

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jon.

> funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a dim view of
> FIRSTs rumoured series.

> I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote from
> Kaemmer
> "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers". I think
> youll
> find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the game
> because
> it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor the larger
> group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit where he's
> talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> pez

>> March 100 PAGE Edition!

>> Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday evening (GMT).

>> The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to Print 3
>> Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to Print 10
>> Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks (Sim) Racing
> 13
>> The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally now Online
> 22
>> Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
>> Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's Latest Offering
> 31
>> Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend David Gould
> 48
>> The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods 57
>> The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
>> The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
>> In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
>> In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
>> Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
>> AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
>> FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing with GTR !
>> 95

>> Regards,

>> Jon.

>I wonder if this is how Jar Jar Binks got created....that Giant Panda
> analogy..?

>> that obviously depends on the license that the broadcaster has
> purchased.

>> Id guess Steven Spielberg would go ape if a network who had purchased
> the
>> rights to show Jurassic Park had filmed a scene with a Giant Panda
> and
>> inserted it halfway through the movie to "make it better".

>> pez

>> > To continue the analogy - broadcast networks buy (or license) the
> right to
>> > show a movie, say LOTR, on TV.  But do the original copyright
> holders--the
>> > people who wrote, financed, produced, directed, finished and
> distributed
>> the
>> > movie--have the right to complain when the networks alter the
>> "executable"?
>> > That is, when the network re-edits the film for length, or to fit
> the
>> > screen, or to delete language, or even to 'colorize' a b/w movie?
> (The
>> > obvious answer is: No, they do not.)

>> > > "Buying the code and claiming rights to everything about the
> game,
>> > including
>> > > the EULA is akin to buying Tolkiens typewriter and saying you
> have the
>> > > rights to Lord of the Rings".

>> > > What a load of rubbish, which i think sums up part of our
> communities
>> > > misunderstanding of whats happening.

>> > > Hows this?

>> > > They buy the original Lord of the Rings manuscript and ownership
> of the
>> > > copyright.

>> > > There are guys out there at the moment who seem to be up in arms
> because
>> > > (still running with the LOTR analogy here) they have been told
> they can
>> no
>> > > longer change the 2nd chapter of the book and publish it
> themselves.

>> > > The Pits would just be releasing code that modifies a few words
> here and
>> > > there, and im quite interested to see how that pans out.

>> > > And since when was R.A.S a Google group? ;)

>> > > pez

>> > > > funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a
> dim view
>> > of
>> > > > FIRSTs rumoured series.

>> > > > I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote
> from
>> > > Kaemmer
>> > > > "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers".
> I think
>> > > youll
>> > > > find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the
> game
>> > > because
>> > > > it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor
> the
>> > larger
>> > > > group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

>> > > > Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit
> where
>> he's
>> > > > talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

>> > > > pez

>> > > > > March 100 PAGE Edition!

>> > > > > Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday
> evening
>> > (GMT).

>> > > > > The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to
> Print 3
>> > > > > Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to
> Print 10
>> > > > > Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks
> (Sim)
>> > > Racing
>> > > > 13
>> > > > > The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally
> now
>> > Online
>> > > > 22
>> > > > > Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
>> > > > > Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's
> Latest
>> > Offering
>> > > > 31
>> > > > > Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend
> David
>> > Gould
>> > > > 48
>> > > > > The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods
> 57
>> > > > > The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
>> > > > > The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
>> > > > > In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
>> > > > > In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
>> > > > > Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
>> > > > > AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
>> > > > > FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing
> with
>> GTR
>> > !
>> > > 95

>> > > > > Regards,

>> > > > > Jon.

> that obviously depends on the license that the broadcaster has purchased.

> Id guess Steven Spielberg would go ape if a network who had purchased the
> rights to show Jurassic Park had filmed a scene with a Giant Panda and
> inserted it halfway through the movie to "make it better".

> pez

> > To continue the analogy - broadcast networks buy (or license) the right
to
> > show a movie, say LOTR, on TV.  But do the original copyright
holders--the
> > people who wrote, financed, produced, directed, finished and distributed
> the
> > movie--have the right to complain when the networks alter the
> "executable"?
> > That is, when the network re-edits the film for length, or to fit the
> > screen, or to delete language, or even to 'colorize' a b/w movie?  (The
> > obvious answer is: No, they do not.)

> > > "Buying the code and claiming rights to everything about the game,
> > including
> > > the EULA is akin to buying Tolkiens typewriter and saying you have the
> > > rights to Lord of the Rings".

> > > What a load of rubbish, which i think sums up part of our communities
> > > misunderstanding of whats happening.

> > > Hows this?

> > > They buy the original Lord of the Rings manuscript and ownership of
the
> > > copyright.

> > > There are guys out there at the moment who seem to be up in arms
because
> > > (still running with the LOTR analogy here) they have been told they
can
> no
> > > longer change the 2nd chapter of the book and publish it themselves.

> > > The Pits would just be releasing code that modifies a few words here
and
> > > there, and im quite interested to see how that pans out.

> > > And since when was R.A.S a Google group? ;)

> > > pez

> > > > funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a dim
view
> > of
> > > > FIRSTs rumoured series.

> > > > I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote from
> > > Kaemmer
> > > > "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers". I
think
> > > youll
> > > > find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the game
> > > because
> > > > it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor the
> > larger
> > > > group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> > > > Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit where
> he's
> > > > talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> > > > pez

> > > > > March 100 PAGE Edition!

> > > > > Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday evening
> > (GMT).

> > > > > The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to Print
3
> > > > > Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to Print 10
> > > > > Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks (Sim)
> > > Racing
> > > > 13
> > > > > The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally now
> > Online
> > > > 22
> > > > > Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
> > > > > Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's Latest
> > Offering
> > > > 31
> > > > > Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend David
> > Gould
> > > > 48
> > > > > The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods 57
> > > > > The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
> > > > > The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
> > > > > In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
> > > > > In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
> > > > > Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
> > > > > AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
> > > > > FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing with
> GTR
> > !
> > > 95

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jon.

> Hi; just a quick point about FILSCA & FIRST - both, it would appear, are
> interested in doing the same thing but - there are 2 differences here -
the
> first, mmm, is that FILSCA is free and the second, moe importanly, is that
> filsca's members are affiliated leagues - who happen to be the back bone
of
> the sim community, and have been since day one of online racing. FIRST's
> model, if rumour is true (and who knows?) is to replace the league
managers
> (that is, guys like us) with a corporation. With SimBin's dedicated server
> issues, it would seem that the small league owners are being slowly
squeezed
> out in  favour of corporate run leagues - which, as it happens, was
> precisely why filsca was founded to begin with.

> It's just a hobby, yes, and it's just for fun, yes, but there's probably
> money to be made from monopolising the leagues and who runs them; right
now,
> they are run by guys like John from Comet, for free, and for the hell of
it.
> FIRST's model would change this forever. And we all lose in that event ...

> > funny that ASS, being the mouthpiece for FILSCA, takes such a dim view
of
> > FIRSTs rumoured series.

> > I also dont think Niles understood what was meant in the quote from
> > Kaemmer
> > "The real problem is that we're reaching the wrong customers". I think
> > youll
> > find that he's referring to the kids in ToysRUs who pick up the game
> > because
> > it says NASCAR on it, not the small band of merry modders, nor the
larger
> > group of *** sim racers who partake in these games.

> > Great interview with Alx Danielsson, especially like the bit where he's
> > talking about not using the autoclutch in his sims.

> > pez

> >> March 100 PAGE Edition!

> >> Download from http://www.racesimcentral.net/ as of Wednesday evening
(GMT).

> >> The News with Jon Denton - All the Sim-News that will Fit to Print 3
> >> Rumors with Niles Anders - Ugly Twisted Rumours Unfit to Print 10
> >> Turn One - World Series by Renault Star Alx Danielsson Talks (Sim)
Racing
> > 13
> >> The Frontstraight - Revolution is Coming: Richard Burns Rally now
Online
> > 22
> >> Turn Two - GTP with Dom Duhan. & Brad McGiveron 25
> >> Turn Three - NSR - Smokin Bob's Study and Review of EA's Latest
Offering
> > 31
> >> Turn Four - Jon Denton Talks Setups with Hillclimbing Legend David
Gould
> > 48
> >> The F1 ChampASS column - Paul Nortness Names the Top 10 Mods 57
> >> The Fifth Column - Glass Houses & Stones 60
> >> The Backstraight - Hungarian SimWorld - Misu Goulash! 65
> >> In the Windshield - COMET GTR Season Preview 69
> >> In The Mirror - FILSCA Race Results & Stats For February. 73
> >> Filsca Driver of the Month - Andras Kiraly 77
> >> AutoSimSport-Italia -Brought To You By: www.m4driving.it 78
> >> FILSCA Online Newsletter - Petition for Better Online Racing with GTR !
> >> 95

> >> Regards,

> >> Jon.