rec.autos.simulators

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00

There is absolutely no necessity to use the mouse once in the replay mode,
other than to go to full screen viewing. Every other action, including
reverting to small screen (Esc) can be accomplished by using keyboard
shortcuts.....as outlined by JS in this thread.
--

BruceK
VR #31, Pro. Division
VRE Site is http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Aw C'mon** » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00

The amount of

> needless mousing back and forth between screens without simple
> keyboard control is borderline absurd.

> BTW, I may have not stated exactly the steps in the above examples,
> I only drew from memory some of the silly things I have experienced.
> I seriously question if anyone actually tested the sim for usability.
> Nascar2 has taken a serious step backward on flow and ease of use, in
> my opinion. N1 was slick and easy to use, N2 is irritating.

> Also, please notice (other than this factoid), I did not mention the
> missing savegame feature, a pretty basic feature of almost any game,
> much less than a Simulation.

There are several useful keyboard controls, same as N1 in N2. Also,
I've found the mouse much faster and easier to move about the menus with
than keyboard keys (wheel users couldn't use a joystick to menu up/down
in N1). Face it, we're in a mouse world now. I was training a friend
the other day on their office computer, as they had upgraded from an old
DOS 286 to a new Pentium with win95. Pointing and clicking was a
treacherous chore for them, as they struggled to figure out the mouse.
But I suspect as they get more accustomed to it over the next few weeks,
they'll learn to like it. My point is that yes, mousing for some people
is difficult, but if you're really used to it, it can be very fast and
easy.

by **Charlie Heat** » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> The 2 main reasons why my serious racing will be on N1are; I prefer to
>race lengths 50-100% but cannot set aside that kind of time always so the
>SAVE GAME feature is a must. I also enjoy working with the replay feature
>and to have to fiddle with the mouse in this program is a royal pain
>compared to the "old" way.

> (etc.)

Dave - sorry to hear your impressions on NASCAR II. We are looking into
adding save game in a patch, but still can't promise if/when that might
arrive.

On the replay subject, I think you'd find the NASCAR II replay
considerably more useful than the original, especially if you do any
post-race analysis. There is telemetry information in the replay so you
can see laps and positions throughout the race, as well as speeds. All of
the old keyboard commands still work in the NASCAR II replay. There is
also an undocumented keyboard command to move forward/backward through the
replay by a lap at a time - use "L" and "shift-L" keys to go forward/back a
lap. I hope you'll take another look at NASCAR II's replay, if thats an
area where you feel the original was better than the sequel ... I put a lot
of effort into keeping that screen keyboard-friendly as well as trying to
make it more useful for race analysis, and I spend a lot of time on the
screen myself so I think I'm pretty well tuned in to how the user interface
flow works there. If you've got any specific suggestions that you think
might improve the useability of the NASCAR II replay, you're welcome to
send me email on the subject.

Charlie Heath
Papyrus

by **Tom Hanse** » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

IMO - the new replay with telemetry is very good. It is extremely useful
when modifying the LP files - 'cause I can see exactly where the AI cars
slow down etc. /THansen

by **David Gar** » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> The amount of
> > needless mousing back and forth between screens without simple
> > keyboard control is borderline absurd.

"This" babble is absurd. One who gripes about such minute things as
mouse control needs to take this sim back, because thats what it needs
to be critiqued as, A SIM! Not a mouse device.

And the babble just keeps comin'....

..and...comin'....

Which is "neanderthaw" compared to N2. You sound like my grandmather!
Always ***in'
about the littlest formalaties.

Bottom line:
If your gona waste bandwith on criticizing something, then give credit
where credits due.
Nascar2 has transformed into a much more seasoned sim than N1. The IA
are ten times as good as N1, the
control of the car is ten times better, the replays give all the options
and more than N1,
the cars are a hell of alot better modeled and dont change to "block"
form when watching them on replay,
You can paint more of the car in paintkit, and on and on and on.....
The framerate is faster than N1, the multiplayer is better, because you
can set options on-line,...and on and on and on.......nuff said!

-David Gary-

Cheer! (a dishwashing detergent)
Bullocks (a way to restrain male cows)

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