rec.autos.simulators

Randy,

I don't consider myself a moron let alone a freakin moron. I think you
miss the irony here that the one track that means the most to Nascar
and the racers is being given away with an ISC program but cannot be
sold
within the context of a racing package by Papyrus. Kind of nice for
ISC to reward the faithful customers of their products (and everyone
who has purchased a Nascar game from Papyrus has helped fill the
coffers of ISC).  

I don't believe anyone asked for a freebee; all anyone has ever asked
is that it be included in the GAME.

I sure won't pay ISC for a DEMO of a game I already own.  

Jeff

oooooooooOOOOOhhhhHHHHh you're gonna be off a lot of Christmas card
lists..........

I am sure you have just shattered the delicate feelings of hundreds maybe even
thousands of NASCAR simm fans around the world............

oh me oh my what will everyone do now?????
(Don't use NO***in E-mail)

You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee,
Vigilantes Of Love

I agree with someone else in this series of threads who noted that the way
to prevent piracy is NOT to make something unavailable!

~daxe (who also wants this dang thing)

How many NASCAR fans who paid the admission to the Daytona 500 and even
bought a program AND own a computer good enough to run the program have
never heard of N3?

Probably not too many.

~daxe

For the life of me I cannot understand what everyone is ***ing about. The
folks at Papyrus are a bright bunch of people. They knew that within a
matter of days (hours?) after the Daytona souvenir programs went on sale
that copies of the Daytona track would be all over the internet, and that
they would be almost powerless to stop it.

So why would they do it? To get in the good graces of ISC? Get real! Papyrus
did it as a free gift to all the dedicated buyers of Papyrus software and as
a brilliant, strategic marketing move.

Did Papyrus lose money on the potential sales of the Daytona track? In the
short run, yes. But think of all of the people that received a copy of the
CD that have not yet played the N3 sim. These are literally thousands of
untapped customers that may have never even heard of N3 before. How much
money will Papy make off of these sales of N3 and future sales of N4? A LOT
more than they would on a single Daytona expansion pack.

You may be griping about not having the files today, but within a week
someone in your circle of friends will have a copy, and you'll eventually
have your own to pass on to other friends. Don't look a gift horse in the
mouth.

-Koz

I doubt that anybody who is informed about the racing business have anything
against Papyrus/Sierra.  The only people who have problems against them are
simple-minded people who are clueless.  It's more ISC some people might have
problem with.

I really praise what they have done. Long we have said bad things about the
lack of publicity they do on the mass market.  Simple sponsorship, adds,
etc..  Now they are able to promote their line of software via an agreement
with the DIS people.  It's really great for them I say.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

You would be surprised at how many. Most of the exposure that the casual
NASCAR fan has to sim racing is the commercials they see about EA Sports,
not Papyrus products. A few years ago most of the seats at any given track
were purchased by hard core NASCAR fans. Today, especially at Daytona, much
of the seating is purchased in corporate blocks and tickets given away as
gifts to employees, vendors, and customers. Many of these people have little
prior exposure to NASCAR, but they go because it is a unique event. Hence
the marketing strategy used by Papyrus at this event.

-Koz

Good points.  I see your logic, now.  Thanks.

~daxe