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hmmmm, guess you have not seen Glenn throw a temper tamtrum on the golf course.  :>
Glenn is a pretty good guy too but a little more excitable than his dad and brother.
:>

Yep, he is a truely great guy and his wife is one of the neatest people you would ever
meet.  Really full of life type gal.  Alot of people like Namen might mistake DJ as a
PR type guy but he was like that long before he ever started racing in Winston Cup.
Remember back in his Hickory days and he was the same guy that you see today.

Brian

"Almost without par doesn't exclude the aforementioned"
Not in English anyway Naman. While you're at it add in
Greg Sacks, Robert Pressley, and Robbie Gordon.

No, then why'd he get fired, you have to treat
your sponsors with respect. even A.J. and Cale
were smart enough to know that.

Fired, and I demand an apology or satisfaction.
I live in central NJ, if you're close name a place
and time or apologize as I never insulted you.
Otherwise be known as a gutless coward, hiding
behind a keyboard.

Rich Koehler
Email Address intentionally witheld to thwart spammers!

First off I would like to apologize to Rich for the misunderstanding of his
post!   Very sorry for the name calling!  But I do have to laugh at being
called out about something so very trivial :-) (A NG post) If you call
someone out it should be for something meaningful not alot of hot air.  A
Neanderthal act in this forum is meaningless!

Second I have much respect for DJ, he is a class act, but this has no
reflection on how I feel regarding his driving style, I like aggressive
drivers and as such DJ is not.  I like to see fenders banging during a Race,
(superspeedways not included) This is NASCAR racing at it's finest.  If your
like Husted F1 is your racing series not Nascar (except maybe the starts,
wow).

What gets me steamed is that I feel Ernie was never givin a realistic chance
after his accident and think he deserved at least 1 more year of competition
with the 28, this was the point of the original post.  Yates wants poster
boy, poster boy he now has!

Most imortant though is this all is just "My Opinion".  Everyone has a
different viewpoint on this mattter and as such are entitled to it!

Naman

I am real....No virtual Naman here :-)

If you like that type of racing fine, it's your opinion! IMHO the
championship points awarding system needs updating placing more emphasis on
winning, again IMHO.  Do you understand what an opinion is?

Also a great sport :-), but in Nascar it also has a place, 97' Bristol race
1, ask R.Wallace, or Darlington ask J.Burton and I can go on and on, R.Petty
C.Yarborough Dega 73'. etc etc etc.

WOW Scott! we agree on something. I almost want to change my post now :-)

Most of the Drivers that complain about his style are the ones he has driven
past so many times!

You are very correct on this point!  I let my anger get the best of me and I
do retract this statement, my apologies for this moronic statement.  The
last thing I want is to see injuries on any Race Track!

Because he is a hard nose take no shit driver!  He will go for the WIN when
the opportunity arises and wreck you if your'e slower and blocking him!

I have great respect for all of the drivers in Winston Cup.  Earnhardt goes
w/o saying!  He is perhaps the best during this era.  He is given the
benefit of the doubt in most cases though, Bristol 95' 10+ incidents and no
said a thing, most drivers would have gotten a Black Flag.

 >The reason he isnt satisfied

As a matter of fact he finished 14th in the standings which is very
comendable due to the Yates team shifting focus to the 88 after the Irvan
decision, (an observation as I was not in the offices of R.Yates)

Do you forget Irvan also won the Daytona 500! Driving the #4 Kodak Chevy,
and was in contention this year, till Gordon got into Earnhardt which took
out many others including DJ with only a few laps to go.

I believe Irvan has 14 career wins, and I think (don't quote me) DJ has 17,
7 this year though!

Rather than a flame war Husted (I can go to Nascar NG for that) A
constructive dialog is a better choice for this medium!  Actually this will
be my last post on this subject here in rec.autos.simulators.  Maybe I will
see you on TEN, spinning wildly after I get into you :-), just kidding!

Naman

Gordon fan, hee, hee, hee, that's rich. I think
A.J. Foyt was one of the greatest drivers ever.
Have been a fan since 1968, remember real drivers
like David Pearson, Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison.
No way could I be a Gordon fan. The boy is talented
without doubt but I'd like to see him drive the
older cars. 10 inch tires, full sized engines,
two inch spoilers, manual steering, no cool suits,
and side window glass (look at Mario's Daytona
500 winning car).

Talk about your Talledega disaster, he'd make this
year's wreck look like a fender bender. A Lot of
todays drivers are too small to have driven back
then, J. Andretti, Martin (one of my preferred
drivers today) and Gordon.

As for Ernie willing to trade sheet metal for a win,
all I see him do is wreck car after car, sometimes
the whole field. Guys who traded sheet metal, seldom
took out the whole pack and had the guts to settle
their disputes off track as well. Can't see Ernie,
willing to stand up after the race and trade more
than paint with A.J. or Cale.

Wrecks, you can have them. I have seen enough men
(and women) die driving race cars to fill a couple
of Daytona or Indy fields. You like wrecks, more
power to you, I'd rather see them alive and able
to spend time reminiscing with their grandchildren.

Rich Koehler
Email Address intentionally witheld to thwart spammers!

one-eye sux

Your last post was much more constructive...  lets keep them that way on
both parts!! =)

I cant stand the NASCAR newsgroup... I spent one day reading the posts
and unsubscribed... what a bunch of cry babies.

I have to totally disagree with you still here.  There is too much money
involved with these teams to just destroy sheetmetal.  Rubbin is racin
but wrecking people is another.

Yes.. before Gordon,  Earnhardt did get all the breaks.

I knew it wasnt the top 10,  did not know exactly where.

That ticked me off but I love how Earnhardt just rolled his car over and
got back in and drove it to the finish!!

I agree...  lets not.

  Maybe I will

I truly hope to be on TEN by February... if so, I will look you up and
we will have that race!!!  ;)

Notice I didnt bring up the NASCAR ruling at Watkins Glen that took the
Championship from DJ and gave it to Gordon.  Burton told NASCAR DJ was
not spilling any fluid, but they black flagged him anyway.  If it were
Jeff Gordon... he would have NEVER been black flagged!!  Those points
(DJ was 3rd at the time) is greater thant he difference in the points
race.

Scott B. Husted
http://home.ptd.net/~sbhusted

But most Teams have the Dough!  Also the teams replace most shetmetal after
each race anyhow, this is a very minor expense when you look at the big
picture.  Now a totaled car is another story, a low budget team like Dave
Marcus it can have a major impact.

 >Rubbin is racin

I really don't believe that drivers intentionally wreck other drivers (few
occasions they do, 95' Brickyard Bodine brothers) but in most cases its due
to patience or lack thereof that is the culprit.  If you are being blocked
by an obviously slower car lap after lap anyones patience will wear thin,
even Bill Elliott :-)

Actually DJ has 15 career wins not 17 as previously stated by me!

That infuriated me also, with so few laps remaining that call should have
been held off by officials, there was no evidence to cooberate Burton's
accusation, Nascar should have kept a close eye on DJ with TNN's or ESPN's
(cannot remember which was broadcasting) help of course.

Naman

(I did apologize for the K.Petty remark).  I like to see paint being traded
which is an integral part of Nascar racing from 1948' to the present!  This
is what I consider exiting aggressive driving, which I like to see. This is
the category IMHO that Irvan falls into (as does many other drivers Gordon,
Earnhardt included, Darlington was awesome).   I do not enjoy wrecks in
general, which is what happened to Irvan and why I originally posted.

Again, this is just my opinion which I am entitled to, as are you your
opinion.  It just bugs me to hear anyone state that most wrecks are caused
by Irvan, I wholeheartedly disagree!

Naman

Naman,

      This should go to rasn. But I never said most wrecks are
Irvan's fault. I just feel that he lets his "competitive spirit"
overrule common sense way too often. Lord knows how tough it is
to be competitive in Nascar (try Sierra's N2 sometime) but you
cannot seemingly (note: seemingly, not definitely) cause wrecks
to that extent and keep the respect of fans, owners and other
drivers. This has hurt Ernie, and I do feel that he has a great
depth of talent. He needs to start harvesting it. Perhaps with
his new team we'll see a more focused Ernie!

Rich Koehler
Email Address intentionally witheld to thwart spammers!

Actually most accidents are caused by Jimmy Spencer!!

Dave Molloy

Southern Illinois University
Plant and Soil Science Student

PENSKE Racing...Go Rusty, Go Little Al, Go Andre!!!

Yes a to realize this should be taken to rasn but to many times you get the
"You Suck" message without any meaningful dialog to support the statements.
I now avoid rasn like the black plague.

I do hope Ernie will be competitive this upcoming year but I do have serious
reservations, he is now in a Pontiac, which although has become more
competitive in recent years (B.Labonte) is still not up to par w/Ford's 'n'
Chevy's IMHO. And he no longer has the Yates powerplant which is awesome to
say the least.  This is why I originally posted, I really wanted to see
Ernie remain w/RYR so he would have the best opportunity to win it all!  Oh
well such is life!

good day to ya

Naman

Naman,

Actually.. Burton said DJ was NOT spilling any fluid which is what made
the case worse because Burton was right behind DJ.  DJ's cres told
NASCAR to confirm it with Burton that their was NO fluid coming out and
Burton confirmed it... but they black flagged him anyway.  Totally bum
call.

Scott

Not sure exactly when Indy 500 came out, I really gave up on games from
86'-91' since I only had and 8088 w/RGB Hercules and a whopping 10MB hard
drive :-)  I purchased a 386/20 2MB ram vga in 91' and Indy 500 was already
available in our local egghead s/w store, so it could have been out for
awhile w/o my knowledge.  For the life of me I cannot remember GP Unlimited,
but Microprose came out with World Circuit GP sometime around 92', I
remember cause thats when I built my first (of many) 486's.  I was chosen to
beta Papyrus's Indycar Racing 1 in early 93', could this be the title you
are referring to?  Or was this a MAC title possibly?

Speaking of History, I just d/l'd Falcon4, not at all impressed with this
early Alpha release.  Falson3 was king for a long time but I think Spectrum
Holobyte has been away to long!

Naman

    How old is the Origanol Indy 500. Because I have a game from
Papyrus/Accolade Called Grand Prix Unlimited from 92 I believe.

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                                    Sincerely,
                                    Mark F.