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> I tweaked their default profile and that helped.  Let's say from the
> left to the right side of your monitor you move your head 45 degrees
> (just picking a simple number).  With the default setup you can look
> into the back seat as you look to the sides of the monitor.  Basically
> your 45 degree movement is converted to 360 degrees.  That's a lot! I
> changed that range to only allow me to look full left and full right (45
> degrees of real movement equals 180 degrees of sim movement.)  It makes
> it more intuitive and less jumpy.  I also made the curve of the head
> turn linear (rather than increasing the further you look).  That way the
> speed of your head turn is matched directly on the screen.  The
> NaturalPoint software has a lot of flexibility.

> I found that I was looking into the turns and planning for them earlier
> than the built in LFS steering look does.  Coming out of the corners I
> needed to remember to straighten my head out to look ahead (I was used
> to the program altering the view for me).

> I knew I was getting into it when I tried another sim that doesn't
> support TrackIR and I turned my head to look into the turn, nothing
> happened and it felt odd :).

> I think this is another good step into more immersion into racing sims.
>   Sure it is a trade off, but until something better and cheaper comes
> along (3d VR goggles anyone?), this is a step in the right direction.

> One thing to note is that the device doesn't like bright sunlight.  I
> had a bit of bright sun shining through window blinds and the thing
> wouldn't track.  I put a towel over the blinds (just enough to diffuse
> the sunlight, not block it out) and that took care of the problem.

> Russell

>>I picked up a TrackIR3 Pro w/Vector Expansion.  I checked it out with
>>Live For Speed (since it has native support).  During the 1st lap I was
>>thinking about how much money I wasted.  By the second lap I realized
>>that they were on to something really cool and it was just a matter of
>>getting used to it.  I still have a way to go to get comfortable with
>>it, but the learning curve is not steep.

>>I tweaked their default profile and that helped.  Let's say from the
>>left to the right side of your monitor you move your head 45 degrees
>>(just picking a simple number).  With the default setup you can look
>>into the back seat as you look to the sides of the monitor.  Basically
>>your 45 degree movement is converted to 360 degrees.  That's a lot! I
>>changed that range to only allow me to look full left and full right (45
>>degrees of real movement equals 180 degrees of sim movement.)  It makes
>>it more intuitive and less jumpy.  I also made the curve of the head
>>turn linear (rather than increasing the further you look).  That way the
>>speed of your head turn is matched directly on the screen.  The
>>NaturalPoint software has a lot of flexibility.

>>I found that I was looking into the turns and planning for them earlier
>>than the built in LFS steering look does.  Coming out of the corners I
>>needed to remember to straighten my head out to look ahead (I was used
>>to the program altering the view for me).

>>I knew I was getting into it when I tried another sim that doesn't
>>support TrackIR and I turned my head to look into the turn, nothing
>>happened and it felt odd :).

>>I think this is another good step into more immersion into racing sims.
>>  Sure it is a trade off, but until something better and cheaper comes
>>along (3d VR goggles anyone?), this is a step in the right direction.

>>One thing to note is that the device doesn't like bright sunlight.  I
>>had a bit of bright sun shining through window blinds and the thing
>>wouldn't track.  I put a towel over the blinds (just enough to diffuse
>>the sunlight, not block it out) and that took care of the problem.

>>Russell

> I hadnt tried LFS but I have tried both GTR and NSR.  NSR fully supports
> Vector while the demo of GTR doesnt.  NSR seems a better all around TIR
> experience even though I prefer GTR as a game.  Could be the profile I use
> is more suited to NSR though.  Not enough time..

> While the TIR/VE work very nicely in racing sims it really shines in flight
> sims.  The true freedom of head movement can really only be experienced as
> words cant adequately describe it ;)  

> The one game that really needs the full vector/6dof support is the IL2
> series and it doesnt, grrrrr.  It does work great even without vector
> support even though it would be nice to look around the monstrous pillars
> in the sim.  The P-51 while under-simulated in PF is still a beauty to look
> around in with that bubble canopy and TIR.

> Mitch

> FYI, Mitch, the 1.3 patch for GTR (just out today) contains support for
> Vector (according to the German readme file).

> Have either of you guys tried TIR with GPL using the GPLShift utility?
> GPLShift supposedly allows GPL to support TrackIR.

> Bert

> Yeah well somehow for racing simulations, there isn't much need for Y-axis
> movements of the head.  Is there any way to block the axis with something
> like TrackIR during racing sims?  It would give a much more precise idea
> imho.  We've gone ages from the bad look-ahead features of C:PR

> > FYI, Mitch, the 1.3 patch for GTR (just out today) contains support for
> > Vector (according to the German readme file).

> > Have either of you guys tried TIR with GPL using the GPLShift utility?
> > GPLShift supposedly allows GPL to support TrackIR.

> > Bert

> Excellent news Bert!

> As far as GPL goes I havent tried myself but I do believe youre on the
right
> track with GPLShift.

> Mitch
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>>> I picked up a TrackIR3 Pro w/Vector Expansion.  I checked it out with
>>> Live For Speed (since it has native support).  During the 1st lap I was
>>> thinking about how much money I wasted.  By the second lap I realized
>>> that they were on to something really cool and it was just a matter of
>>> getting used to it.  I still have a way to go to get comfortable with
>>> it, but the learning curve is not steep.

>>> I tweaked their default profile and that helped.  Let's say from the
>>> left to the right side of your monitor you move your head 45 degrees
>>> (just picking a simple number).  With the default setup you can look
>>> into the back seat as you look to the sides of the monitor.  Basically
>>> your 45 degree movement is converted to 360 degrees.  That's a lot! I
>>> changed that range to only allow me to look full left and full right (45
>>> degrees of real movement equals 180 degrees of sim movement.)  It makes
>>> it more intuitive and less jumpy.  I also made the curve of the head
>>> turn linear (rather than increasing the further you look).  That way the
>>> speed of your head turn is matched directly on the screen.  The
>>> NaturalPoint software has a lot of flexibility.

>>> I found that I was looking into the turns and planning for them earlier
>>> than the built in LFS steering look does.  Coming out of the corners I
>>> needed to remember to straighten my head out to look ahead (I was used
>>> to the program altering the view for me).

>>> I knew I was getting into it when I tried another sim that doesn't
>>> support TrackIR and I turned my head to look into the turn, nothing
>>> happened and it felt odd :).

>>> I think this is another good step into more immersion into racing sims.
>>>  Sure it is a trade off, but until something better and cheaper comes
>>> along (3d VR goggles anyone?), this is a step in the right direction.

>>> One thing to note is that the device doesn't like bright sunlight.  I
>>> had a bit of bright sun shining through window blinds and the thing
>>> wouldn't track.  I put a towel over the blinds (just enough to diffuse
>>> the sunlight, not block it out) and that took care of the problem.

>>> Russell

>> I hadnt tried LFS but I have tried both GTR and NSR.  NSR fully supports
>> Vector while the demo of GTR doesnt.  NSR seems a better all around TIR
>> experience even though I prefer GTR as a game.  Could be the profile I
>> use
>> is more suited to NSR though.  Not enough time..

>> While the TIR/VE work very nicely in racing sims it really shines in
>> flight
>> sims.  The true freedom of head movement can really only be
>> experienced as
>> words cant adequately describe it ;)
>> The one game that really needs the full vector/6dof support is the IL2
>> series and it doesnt, grrrrr.  It does work great even without vector
>> support even though it would be nice to look around the monstrous pillars
>> in the sim.  The P-51 while under-simulated in PF is still a beauty to
>> look
>> around in with that bubble canopy and TIR.

>> Mitch

> Thanks for those informative reviews.  I think that I may go for one
> myself.

> FYI, Mitch, the 1.3 patch for GTR (just out today) contains support for
> Vector (according to the German readme file).

> Have either of you guys tried TIR with GPL using the GPLShift utility?
> GPLShift supposedly allows GPL to support TrackIR.

> Bert

> Yeah well somehow for racing simulations, there isn't much need for Y-axis
> movements of the head.  Is there any way to block the axis with something
> like TrackIR during racing sims?  It would give a much more precise idea
> imho.  We've gone ages from the bad look-ahead features of C:PR

> Sounds GREAT Russell!

> But how did you do that?  For Instance, right now I have the Racing
> profile up and have selected the Yaw.  What do I do know?

> Thanks!

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>> Sounds GREAT Russell!

>> But how did you do that?  For Instance, right now I have the Racing
>> profile up and have selected the Yaw.  What do I do know?

>> Thanks!

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>Here is how I did it.  Set your values to what you like.
>1. Start TrackIR
>2. Click on Profiles tab
>3. click on new button, give it a name (this way you don't change one of
>the pre-set ones in case things go wrong :) .
>4. click on the motion tab
>5. click "edit yaw"
>6. click on the "Shift entire curve" down button until you flatten the
>curve and it completely goes to zero
>7. Now click on the "Shift entire curve" up button until it comes up to
>8 (or whatever you want).  Now you have a flat response.
>8. Set "Copy curve to axis" to "All" and press copy (this sets every
>axis this way)
>9. Check what you have set up in the View/Heads tab.  The setting I
>described allows me to comfortably look to the left side of my monitor
>and be looking out the left side of the car at a bit less than 90
>degrees (the in-game head is about 90 degrees.)
>10. I choose this as my main profile by clicking on the box for this
>profile under "Exclusive-load".

>Hope this help.  Experiment.
>Russell

>>>>I tweaked their default profile and that helped.  Let's say from the
>>>>left to the right side of your monitor you move your head 45 degrees
>>>>(just picking a simple number).  With the default setup you can look
>>>>into the back seat as you look to the sides of the monitor.  Basically
>>>>your 45 degree movement is converted to 360 degrees.  That's a lot! I
>>>>changed that range to only allow me to look full left and full right (45
>>>>degrees of real movement equals 180 degrees of sim movement.)  It makes
>>>>it more intuitive and less jumpy.  I also made the curve of the head
>>>>turn linear (rather than increasing the further you look).  That way the
>>>>speed of your head turn is matched directly on the screen.  The
>>>>NaturalPoint software has a lot of flexibility.

>>>Sounds GREAT Russell!

>>>But how did you do that?  For Instance, right now I have the Racing
>>>profile up and have selected the Yaw.  What do I do know?

>>>Thanks!

>>>-pw
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>>Here is how I did it.  Set your values to what you like.
>>1. Start TrackIR
>>2. Click on Profiles tab
>>3. click on new button, give it a name (this way you don't change one of
>>the pre-set ones in case things go wrong :) .
>>4. click on the motion tab
>>5. click "edit yaw"
>>6. click on the "Shift entire curve" down button until you flatten the
>>curve and it completely goes to zero
>>7. Now click on the "Shift entire curve" up button until it comes up to
>>8 (or whatever you want).  Now you have a flat response.
>>8. Set "Copy curve to axis" to "All" and press copy (this sets every
>>axis this way)
>>9. Check what you have set up in the View/Heads tab.  The setting I
>>described allows me to comfortably look to the left side of my monitor
>>and be looking out the left side of the car at a bit less than 90
>>degrees (the in-game head is about 90 degrees.)
>>10. I choose this as my main profile by clicking on the box for this
>>profile under "Exclusive-load".

>>Hope this help.  Experiment.
>>Russell

> Great stuff Russell!!!!  Thank you so much.  I will study the
> manual/help-file again but I don't remember seeing anything like that
> mentioned!

> -paul

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