You sure you do ?
;-D
-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
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-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
> You sure you do ?
> ;-D
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> -= May the Downforce be with you...
> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Jon Van Ginneken
"I wrestled with an alligator, tussled with a whale,
handcuffed lightning, threw thunder in jail...I'm a bad dude."
- Muhammad Ali
> >So? I bring up facts? I don't care how much it's been done when something is not
> >accurate it's not a simulation...well that's my defnition. I really hate to see lap
> >times that are way off for any sim.
> No, you don't read and try to understand facts. Before posting anymore
> please go and LOOK on Dejanews. You will find that it is precisely
> BECAUSE things are done accurately that you see such a thing.
Then how'd he do the Nurburging in 8:06 or whatever it is? Clark hated Spa so I don't
expect him to do well there, but shouldn't simulator now-a-days simulate a driver not
doing well at a track?
Oh yeah all my laps at the Nurburgring that border respectable had many instances where I
would have put my life in serious danger, but they are still not even close to Clark's
time.
In my first 3 laps around Spa in Lotus I did a 3:26...not crashing once; I steered clear
of the big tracks until. That was also probably the 3rd or 4th time I had ever practiced
ith Lotus. Never made it ten laps because I had to goto sleep (it was 2:30am and I had
to get up at 6am). That time is lower than pole in 67. Maybe Papy should've gone more
indepth and made each race track with driver performance (like CPR did, one of the few
thigs that were done well in CPR (that and engineer idea)...then they could just let the
car decide if it breaks or not (so that you aren't in second and you just hold back cause
in 67 so-and-so's engine blew).
No I read it carefully and know enough about racing to say that GPL is not 100%
accurate...that was my arguement/defence for non-Papy sims (gotta give the final proiduct
a chance b4 you say its pure arcade game). The one thing I don't get it is I'm supposed
to go outta my way to dejanews to search for a mediocre excuse when you can't read the
message I replied to properly that's just above it in the string? I understand now,
shame on me for bringing up a valid arguement.
But in all seriousness lighten up a bit GPL is just a very accurate sim with some faults,
although I know to some it's a way of life...but in my mind it's nothing worth getting
upset about someone having a different view on the reality on F1 in 1967 than you. This
just could go on and on, but this pointless bickering does nothing unless you work for
Papy or have direct input in future sims, but then again I would THINK Sierra/Papyrus
would be open to hearing whatever the consumer thought was inaccurate.
--
Jon Van Ginneken
"I wrestled with an alligator, tussled with a whale,
handcuffed lightning, threw thunder in jail...I'm a bad dude."
- Muhammad Ali
Yes when I will lap you ;-)
Remember there's no scuderia in SportsCar GT ! Still.. hmm another bet. The
one about the sub-8min lap at the Ring with a Stockcar still goes... but
this time... especially with a Panoz.
I can lap you at Road Atlanta in a 5lap race...
5bucks AMERICAN this time ;-D
-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
> Yes when I will lap you ;-)
I thought it was sub 7 originally until I slapped some sense into you :-)
Give me a McLaren F1 GTR anyday of the week and I'll smoke your batmobile any
track any time. I a GT1 or WSC could do sub 7 I'm sure.
Yeah hit me and then lap me as I'm in the pits getting the whole side of my car
taped up.
oooooooooooooooo, we have a big spender do we? Upping the ante from Canadian?
:-P
We have overused the face thingies. :-)
--
Jon Van Ginneken
"I wrestled with an alligator, tussled with a whale,
handcuffed lightning, threw thunder in jail...I'm a bad dude."
- Muhammad Ali
ES> Dont look much like a sim. to me.
ES> A real real shame imho...
Why ???
Also, man mailt sich...
.\\atze
*home* : http://www.buesing.de
Call Papy and tell them to make a manager or something to suit your
needs.
I need not mention Mario Andretti racing,NASCAR '98, NASCAR 99/Revolution, and
all those other racing games. Then again, Indy 500 was just made for the PC,
not PSX (as it wasn't out by then, but still..)I just hope I'm wrong and SCGT
is a true sim.
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
Victory Lane-
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/
Please keep this argument going I love it.....
>> Jon Van Ginneken wrote
>> >Just not at Mosport with you Frank, I may get taken out by a racer who
>> loves
>> >to drive a Brabham in GPL and wants to be David Brabham in a Panoz...
;-)
>> Yes when I will lap you ;-)
>I shoulda mentioned 1st or 2nd turn of first lap :-)
>> Remember there's no scuderia in SportsCar GT ! Still.. hmm another bet.
The
>> one about the sub-8min lap at the Ring with a Stockcar still goes... but
>> this time... especially with a Panoz.
>I thought it was sub 7 originally until I slapped some sense into you :-)
>Give me a McLaren F1 GTR anyday of the week and I'll smoke your batmobile
any
>track any time. I a GT1 or WSC could do sub 7 I'm sure.
>> I can lap you at Road Atlanta in a 5lap race...
>Yeah hit me and then lap me as I'm in the pits getting the whole side of my
car
>taped up.
>> 5bucks AMERICAN this time ;-D
>oooooooooooooooo, we have a big spender do we? Upping the ante from
Canadian?
>:-P
>> -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
>> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
>> -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
>> -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
>> -= May the Downforce be with you...
>> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
>> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
>We have overused the face thingies. :-)
>--
>Jon Van Ginneken
>"I wrestled with an alligator, tussled with a whale,
>handcuffed lightning, threw thunder in jail...I'm a bad dude."
> - Muhammad Ali
If that is the case, why do you bother to post your opinions if you
then want to ask people not to state theirs, and why go to all the
trouble of posting a long response? Pot, kettle, black?
If you class it as "bickering" whenever someone doesn't share your
opinion then that is probably the first thing to look at. When you
classify someone's response as a "madiocre excuse" you're not exactly
going out of your way to avoid confrontational messages either.
Cheers!
John
Even setting aside the fact that we get much, much more practice, the
fact that we can attack the corners without fear will give enormous
drops in time. I take the Masta Kink at over 170mph in GPL, and having
driven that stretch of road in real life I know for sure the sphincter
factor would rule that out for any but the insane. If you were to
stand in front of my PC with a sledgehammer and pound me all over the
head and body if I crashed you can be sure I'd be easily 10mph down
going through Masta, or any other corner for that matter. You can work
out the math for the laptime from there I'm sure.
No-one's saying there aren't problems with GPL, to say anything is
perfect is ridiculous. At the same time you shouldn't try to directly
equate real-life and sims, because there are inherent compromises
which preclude it.
Cheers!
John
>>>Is GPL a sim? I ran a mock season accelerated time and the Loti killed both
>>>Brabham's have just maybe 1 more DNF per car...that ain't a simulation of a
>>>season.
>Get a life. GPL is a simulation of a race car.
>Call Papy and tell them to make a manager or something to suit your
>needs.
Cheers!
John
> >Will do next time I make a quick referance just as long as you agree to read my main
> >arguement (this GPL thing was to mention GPL has it's faults like anything else). My
> >point was we cannot judge a game by it's screenshots, if that were the case SCGT would
> >beat GPL hands down, which you didn't argue;
> Actually I do argue with that statement, quite a lot in fact. If you
> choose to judge the quality of a product by dint of the advertising
> released by the company making it then you can't be surprised when
> your opinion is skewed. Papy released a video or two during
> development (to let us know how the game _moved_) but screenshots were
> small 320x200 affairs made by *** sites or mags. On top of that,
> SCGT still has the "rose-tinted glasses" syndrome, since we all WANT
> it to be great. If you take a few screenshots of GPL, perhaps from
> around Spa say, it looks a lot better than what SCGT currently offers
> (IMO at least) - those car models are really in need of work. I've
> driven BMW M3s for a number of years and believe me they look nothing
> like the ones in SCGT. To my mind the tracks in SCGT lack atmosphere,
> looking too clinical. On top of that there looks like there will be
> quite a bit of pop-up in the graphics as you can often see large
> objects in the mid-background aren't yet drawn. Still, it's only a
> screenshot and it's well before release - I'm not going to be crying
> into my cornflakes, but I'm not reading too much into them either.
Maybe because I came to the realization that I wasn't budging and you took me off the topic
that was posted on...I was saying nothing is gonna match real life 100%. You seem to agree
with that, but don't want to agree on a *small* example I used...that's why. Yes it was a bit
of the pot calling the kettle black, but this was not near the intention of my post.
I respond to that by just looking at F1 racers and seeing what they have said...that's all.
I'm saying your points have some validity, but again not 100%. Many of the lap times are spot
on at all the tracks, but at some they are not. I can understand what you say when it's a few
seconds, but in some cases you have given no respect to any other car but the Lotus or any
other racer but Jimmy Clark. Some of the others deserve the respect because both the things
you are giving the utmost to were not champions that year.
Again you did not recognize the issue at hand. We cannot tell what a sim is like untill we
have tried the final product, screenshots will not tell us anything; and even if you have
tried a beta not everything can be told by that.
Both Marc and Arthur have said SCGT is not shabby, I have great respect for their opinion and
racing abilities, so we'll see.
--
Jon Van Ginneken
"I wrestled with an alligator, tussled with a whale,
handcuffed lightning, threw thunder in jail...I'm a bad dude."
- Muhammad Ali
<snip>
<snip>
"I never think I can hurt myself-not seriously. If you believe it can
happen to you how can you do this job? If you're never over eight tenths,
or whatever, because you're thinking about a shunt you're not going as
quick as you can. And if you're not doing that, you're not a racing
driver. Som guys in Forumla 1 ...well, to me, they're not racing
drivers. They drive racing cars, that's all. They're doing half a job.
And in that case, I wonder why they do it at all ..."
--Gilles Villeneuve
http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/vill_bio.htm
Some racers do put it to the edge. I wouldn't in real life, but some do.
--
Jon Van Ginneken
"I wrestled with an alligator, tussled with a whale,
handcuffed lightning, threw thunder in jail...I'm a bad dude."
- Muhammad Ali
