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by **Terry Welc** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

If you are serious in that post, it sounds like you really would
prefer Nascar Revolution, Sega Daytona, etc., etc. Sure, with the PC &
console technologies available for sale today the GPL engine simply
would overload anything you can buy at your local Gateway store.
However, in 2 years the available systems will probably have twice
the throughput of the best you can buy today. The old-fashioned
simplified physics models will then look like the original Pong; you
will then have nearly photo-quality real-time dynamic graphics
rendering, and you will want your Nascar sim to feel REAL! Then the
descendant of the GPL engine will be at the core of what you buy, and
you will complain if it is not that good.
I sincerely hope that Papyrus will be allowed by Sierra to capitalize
on their technical success at that time. heh heh weeeee to you
too...so there. ;^}

> Does nascar really need the GPL engine? I mean you got some rednecks
> driving around in the game, do you think they will want to make sure
that
> each tire is modeled exactly to the real world? Its nascar for cryin
out
> loud, bang bang, spin spin, win. ;-) heh heh weeeee

> JB

> > > maybe Papy is working on a track pack add-on for GPL, and
this is
> > > why, we didn't see David Kaemmer in either N3 or NL.

> > IIRC David Kaemmer is leading the team working on N4, the Stock-car
title
> > using the GPL game engine.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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by **Hena Hakkane** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>> maybe Papy is working on a track pack add-on for GPL, and this is
>> why, we didn't see David Kaemmer in either N3 or NL.

>IIRC David Kaemmer is leading the team working on N4, the Stock-car title
>using the GPL game engine.

So no CART title based on GPL engine in the horizon? This really ruins my
year! :((( Damn! As if the world really needs yet another nascar title (<-
intentionally spelled w/ lower case)

BTW, what is IIRC??

Hena

by **Edwin Solhei** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

AFAIK it means: [ :-)

If I Remember Correct (ly) or
If I Recall Correct(ly)

> BTW, what is IIRC??

--
All the best,
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by **Terry Welc** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

TUVM, and IIANM, YAAR. 73's.... ;O)

> AFAIK it means: [ :-)

> If I Remember Correct (ly) or
> If I Recall Correct(ly)

> > BTW, what is IIRC??

> --
> All the best,
> Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply**
> Drop by "The Paddock - a legendary site....." for some cool GPL stuff!
> http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock

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by **Terry Welc** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

(I just couldn't resist a response in kind)! <g>

> AFAIK it means: [ :-)

> If I Remember Correct (ly) or
> If I Recall Correct(ly)

> > BTW, what is IIRC??

> --
> All the best,
> Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply**
> Drop by "The Paddock - a legendary site....." for some cool GPL stuff!
> http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock

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by **Joel Willstei** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Don't laugh. I thought this for sometime. No one ever hears from or sees
any posts from Noonan. When I ordered his N2/ICR2 converter,I mailed my
check to Jan Kohl.

Joel Willstein

by **Chris** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Doubt it. Very much so. Especially if at least the graphics engine were
revamped slightly to take advantage of graphics cards that did transforms,
and maybe lighting too depending on how they implemented it. Frees up,
depending on who you talk to too, the cpu from middling to quite a bit which
would be nice considering the amount of CPU GPL takes. Also with the Athlon
700 out, the P3-700s due out at the end of the October, by the end of the
year first of the next year Gateway should easily be selling 1GigHz
computers roughly which will probably swallow GPL and N4 quite easily. :)

Twice? Nope...quite a bit more than that. Go back two years and look at
what the computer could do then in terms of processor speed, instructions
per second, data throughput both to peripherals and from cpu to memory, etc.
Its easily more than twice as fast.

Maybe. In the computer industry, 2 years is an awfully long time. By two
years you should easily be running on 64 bit processors [Itanium or maybe
the so-called AMD Sledgehammer with it's 64bit x86 instruction set (haha)]
with Win64. Brings a whole new world of things and possibilities. However,
while it may not be a direct descendant, I'm sure all that they learned
doing GPL and N4 [if indeed it does have the GPL engine] will be applied, or
at least we can hope so.

by **John Walla** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I guess you're not aware that Matt left the company and is very much
"up to something", but just not within Papy anymore. As for Randy and
Dave, from what I've seen the sky's the limit - fingers crossed that
Intel et alia don't hold them back - ***y amateurs can't even get a
CPU together that will run the sims we want... :-)

Cheers!
John

by **Dave Hawn** » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Hi,
> maybe Papy is working on a track pack add-on for GPL, and this is
> why, we didn't see David Kaemmer in either N3 or NL.

> Who knows....

If thats true.... I will be first in the queue, evan if I have to make the
cheque out to Dave Noonan ;-)

Dave Hawnt (UKGPL)

by **Jeffrey Ha** » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>I guess you're not aware that Matt left the company and is very much
>"up to something", but just not within Papy anymore.

Wow, wasn't aware of that, though not that I have any contact any more
with Matt. Raced with him in an old Compuserve off-line ICR2 league
and then corresponded a bit when I was beta testing for Papy. I expect
he's doing something with racing car sims.

Thanks,

Jeff

by **Terry Welc** » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Obviously I should not have let my PC Week subscription lapse, Chris.
Thanks for the update.

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by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> > Randy Cassidy is busy making tracks and converters under the alias,
> > David Noonan....

> > --

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy

> Don't laugh. I thought this for sometime. No one ever hears from or sees
> any posts from Noonan. When I ordered his N2/ICR2 converter,I mailed my
> check to Jan Kohl.

> Joel Willstein

I'm not laughing (much :-)

Nope, David doesn't post here often, but I heve seen a few posts from
him in the past, suggesting that he at least reads this NG every now and
then, but then again you could say the same for most of the really
active Sim "guru's" out there, they're too busy working on stuff for the
rest of us to enjoy I guess, keeping up an apperance on this NG and
provide "online help" takes quite a bit of time, I've heard rumours
about how many e-mails Jan Kohl gets in a day, I'm glad I don't have his
job......

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

by **Lagwago** » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Actually I prefer GPL, SCGT and an occasional spin in Viper. I am not
serious about the post though. Thus the wink at the end. I wanted to see
what type of reaction I could get out of you die-hard nascar fans...

JB

> If you are serious in that post, it sounds like you really would
> prefer Nascar Revolution, Sega Daytona, etc., etc. Sure, with the PC &
> console technologies available for sale today the GPL engine simply
> would overload anything you can buy at your local Gateway store.
> However, in 2 years the available systems will probably have twice
> the throughput of the best you can buy today. The old-fashioned
> simplified physics models will then look like the original Pong; you
> will then have nearly photo-quality real-time dynamic graphics
> rendering, and you will want your Nascar sim to feel REAL! Then the
> descendant of the GPL engine will be at the core of what you buy, and
> you will complain if it is not that good.
> I sincerely hope that Papyrus will be allowed by Sierra to capitalize
> on their technical success at that time. heh heh weeeee to you
> too...so there. ;^}

> > Does nascar really need the GPL engine? I mean you got some rednecks
> > driving around in the game, do you think they will want to make sure
> that
> > each tire is modeled exactly to the real world? Its nascar for cryin
> out
> > loud, bang bang, spin spin, win. ;-) heh heh weeeee

> > JB

> > > > maybe Papy is working on a track pack add-on for GPL, and
> this is
> > > > why, we didn't see David Kaemmer in either N3 or NL.

> > > IIRC David Kaemmer is leading the team working on N4, the Stock-car
> title
> > > using the GPL game engine.

> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
> realise
> > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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by **Tadej Krev** » Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Maybe because they've spent millions of $$$ on this game and they don't
want some other company to get it for free...

Tadej

> Now, if you have a chance to find it in a shop, you can buy GPL as an
> old game for little money.
> No business for sierra!!!!!!!
> You can read this in several forums!!!!!

> But, what can be changed?

> If the official partners, like Papy and sierra, aren't interested in
> working on GPL, why don't they open the source code to give the
> internet users the possibility to optimize the program and to keep it
> always the best on the actual computers. If you look on Linux, you
> will see the best example and will know, what I mean!

> If they will do so, GPL will be always actual in the future and will
> have a real chance, to be the standard on computer racing simulation
> (online), because it's without any actuality, which will order new
> circuits, new drivers and new cars each year (and new ads ;-) ).

> The chance for Papy and Sierra is:
> - having the biggest family of online-racing,
> - getting the Marketing effort of having made the best racing sim
> ever,
> - image transfer by seeing the Logo in every start-window of the
> GPL-Game
> - getting the name as the company of the sim-know-how.

> Why don't you try this, Papy and Sierra??????

> Best Greetings

> Rolf Wesemann

by **david.sheph..** » Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Maybe because they've spent millions of $$$ on this game and they
don't
> want some other company to get it for free...

> > Now, if you have a chance to find it in a shop, you can buy GPL as
an
> > old game for little money.
> > No business for sierra!!!!!!!
> > You can read this in several forums!!!!!

> > But, what can be changed?

> > If the official partners, like Papy and sierra, aren't interested in
> > working on GPL, why don't they open the source code to give the
> > internet users the possibility to optimize the program and to keep
it
> > always the best on the actual computers. If you look on Linux, you
> > will see the best example and will know, what I mean!

> > If they will do so, GPL will be always actual in the future and will
> > have a real chance, to be the standard on computer racing simulation
> > (online), because it's without any actuality, which will order new
> > circuits, new drivers and new cars each year (and new ads ;-) ).

> > The chance for Papy and Sierra is:
> > - having the biggest family of online-racing,
> > - getting the Marketing effort of having made the best racing sim
> > ever,
> > - image transfer by seeing the Logo in every start-window of the
> > GPL-Game
> > - getting the name as the company of the sim-know-how.

> > Why don't you try this, Papy and Sierra??????

GPL may not be going anywhere commerically now but, I think, everyone
agrees that the main strength of GPL is in the physics engine and the
AI. Both of these can (and I expect will) be used in future products.
Papy/Sierra decided not to use them in Nascar3 because of the high
compute power required (especially with as Nascar field of 40+ cars)
which would be too much for the mass market they are aiming at with the
Nascar franchise.

In the N4 timeframe (say 2 years from now) they will be able to make
assumptions of mass market installed base PCs with 500MHz processors +
probability that graphics cards will be offloading significant
processing from CPU. At that point they may be able to get a big pay
back from the investment they have made in the physics/AI with GPL.

As I mentioned in a previous post I can see the situation being similar
to some car companies where new technologies can be tried out first in a
high end/low volume marque and the moved down the product line as it is
engineered to the relevant cost points - the example I quoted was
something I read that said that Ford (I think) can justify the money it
costs them to keep the Aston Martin marque going with very low sales
volume on the basis that it is a test bed for new equipment etc that
will filter down to the Jaguar line some years later.

Clearly if they made GPL open source this would be lost - however a
GPL-ed GPL does sound interesting :-)

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