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by **Rand Al'Tho** » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:23:37

This is about the physics engine, right?

Guess I'll leave that to who's driven these cars IRL. I have brought RBR -
but again, however good this rally sim is it still feels real lonely out
there without the wheel to wheel competition :)

The physics do seem to me, very good in GTR with one reservation. However,
only time will tell if it has a chance to live up to the classic that is
GPL. I've also looked at the files and can see no way for modding like GPL
which has helped keep it alive for so long. And what is it about open wheel
racing; I just love seeing the wheels and suspension at work and it
seriously helps with the placement of the car on the track.

The real sad thing now is that GPLs graphics are looking really tardy and
dated being Directx7 and seeing the georgeous SPA in GTR and the rally
circuits in RBR complete with bump mapping (especially in RBR) its hard not
to be impressed with these latest sim additions.

Alan

> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just hype.
> RBR is the new GPL

>> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any racing
>> sims since about 2001.

by **Rich** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:06:36

Ahhhhhhhh what a loaded question, which will produce predictable
results in this group... Damn ***y GPL luddites, hahahha... There
will never be another GPL, hell I even wonder if GPL could stand up to
GPL, hahahha..

Goes the old story, GPL simmer gets a chance to drive a full spec
modern F1 car, he takes it out for 20 laps (insert your favorite track
here) upon the conclusion of this test drive, he exits the car and
says "that was pretty cool, but it ain't no GPL"

Even with all the glaring problems in GPL looking like monsterous
cyclops that Sinbad had to battle, people still insist GPL is king..
Even though the folks who were instrumental in creating and beta
testing GPL exclaim in no uncertain terms that the technology has
moved on and there are more accurate simulations out there, still many
insist GPL is king.. And for them yes GPL is king, doesn't make GPL
the most technically proficient sim out there its SIMply (no pun
intended) what they dig....

Perhaps if Dave K. makes GPL2 some will finally change their tune,
though I'm sure they'll test it out, do some laps, come back into the
pits and exclaim (dont' make me say it !!) hahhhahhaha

Its no ........

PS: now excuse me while I run some laps in Pole Position...

GPL: its no pole position

now see you made me coin a new phrase , hahah

by JP » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:47:42

> > Part of GPL's lasting appeal, I think, is that because of the nature
> of the
> > cars and the limitations/inaccuracies of the game, you can, in a
> driving
> > sense, push the boat out incredibly far wihtout getting punished for
> it,
> > making it simply a lot of fun to play.

> Personally I think gpl's main long-term appeal is partly that it's
> sufficiently hard that it's tremendously satisfying when you get it
> right, RBR does this well, GTR is okay but it's hard to tell from the
> demos.

> But mostly, I think gpl's lasting appeal online comes from it's
> difficulty to modify. It's fairly easy to alter the ini files in most
> sims to make the car faster etc. This is great for the modders but imo
> kills long-term appeal because it takes away the level playing field. I
> can compare my best Nurby laptime with one done 5 years ago & know that
> not only am I driving the same track, it's with exactly the same car
> too.

> If GTR (or any other sim) wants to be popular, make it easy to mod. If
> it wants to have lasting appeal though it need to be hard to mod/cheat.

> Personally I think RBR has got the appeal of the challenge spot on, it's
> rewarding to drive. LFS has the cheat protection though, and is pretty
> close to good enough with the driving.

> imo LFS is the 'next gpl' or at least a worthy candidate, GTR may be,
> but let's see something a little more complete before comparing it to
> anything else out there.

> Malc.

Hmmm........gpl difficult to modify ? Thats a new one <g> The whole
thing has been hacked; graphics, physics, engine, you name it.

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by **Plowboy** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:43:33

At times, oh so many times, the beauty of RBR is just that, you dont need
nobody. That means no cheates, no wreckers, no bulshit jaw-flapping
keyboard jockies... There have been nights where you were "free" to race,
but there was nobody around, (most of the time they all were all in that
latest of 300th consecutive Dega-Tona servers)...

Sure I got the "Other 2 games for online racing, but Damnit I love RBR.

Rich8 enlightened us with:

> So in RBR you get the best competition from trees or zebras, as there
> are no other cars to race against.... hehe. sorry I've heard that RBR
> is very good but since in GPL your racing against 19 other cars and in
> RBR its the clock or whatever animal you run into , how can you
> compare...

>> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just
>> hype. RBR is the new GPL

>>> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any
>>> racing sims since about 2001.

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:28:52

> wasn't the point of my original replay. At all. You said it was difficult
> to mod gpl; the multitude of mods available prove otherwise.

> Its easy to *mod GPL*. Its hard to make the mods themselves. Seems easy
> to grasp to me.

Seems contradictory to *me*....

I think it's *not* easy to mod GPL or world+dog would've done it. As it
is, only *some* people have done it, and they've been sensible enough to
keep the really sensitive data mainly to themselves. If they hadn't,
world+dog etc, and cheating would have been pretty easy. And that
*would* have had an impact on the popularity of GPL, imho.

Regards, Rudy
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GPLRank: -24

by **MartinKnu** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:05:46

Whats RBR?

Martin.

> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just hype.
> RBR is the new GPL

>> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any racing
>> sims since about 2001.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:23:17

Richard Burns Rally... a great rally sim.

http://www.richardburnsrally.com

Jan.
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by Pa » Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:52:27

> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just hype.
> RBR is the new GPL

> > Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any racing
> > sims since about 2001.

RBR feels like a racing sim demo to me. Great graphics and physics,
but nobody to race against (like the 1st GTR demo). I know this is
how rally racing is supposed to be, but I find it a bit... lonely.
Anyway, no sense in comparing RBR to GTR, as it's two completely
different types of "racing". If you prefer racing against the clock,
RBR can't be beat (at the moment). I prefer racing against other cars
on the circuit, so I am eagerly awaiting GTR!

-Pat

by **Badmuther #** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:51:24

Simple answer is.......... no !

by **mjones5** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:04:57

I agree RBR is one of the most self challanging sims ever, it really makes
you work to improve your times. If you get real lonely you can race the
ghost cars.........

> At times, oh so many times, the beauty of RBR is just that, you dont need
> nobody. That means no cheates, no wreckers, no bulshit jaw-flapping
> keyboard jockies... There have been nights where you were "free" to race,
> but there was nobody around, (most of the time they all were all in that
> latest of 300th consecutive Dega-Tona servers)...

> Sure I got the "Other 2 games for online racing, but Damnit I love RBR.

> Rich8 enlightened us with:
>> So in RBR you get the best competition from trees or zebras, as there
>> are no other cars to race against.... hehe. sorry I've heard that RBR
>> is very good but since in GPL your racing against 19 other cars and in
>> RBR its the clock or whatever animal you run into , how can you
>> compare...

>>> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just
>>> hype. RBR is the new GPL

>>>> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any
>>>> racing sims since about 2001.

by JP » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:38:34

> > wasn't the point of my original replay. At all. You said it was
difficult
> > to mod gpl; the multitude of mods available prove otherwise.

> > Its easy to *mod GPL*. Its hard to make the mods themselves. Seems
easy
> > to grasp to me.

> Seems contradictory to *me*....

> I think it's *not* easy to mod GPL or world+dog would've done it. As it
> is, only *some* people have done it, and they've been sensible enough to
> keep the really sensitive data mainly to themselves. If they hadn't,
> world+dog etc, and cheating would have been pretty easy. And that
> *would* have had an impact on the popularity of GPL, imho.

> Regards, Rudy
> ------------
> GPLRank: -24

Thats true. Maybe the word hack would be a better one. Anyway, Malc
stated it was good that gpl is difficult to mod, that way he knows a lap
he's running, etc. My point was, that using that example(comparing laps)
isn't a good one in gpl, since it has been hacked since almost day one,
including the .exe file.

And between that file format, and the other ones that have been hacked in
gpl, as shown by all the hacks, mods, etc., its obvious gpl isn't hard to
hack at all.

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:26:52

The point is whether GTR will be to it's predecessors and peers what GPL
was, and the answer is almost certainly no. GPL, despite it's
now-acknowledged shortcomings, was so far above what had come before it that
it basically redefined the genre. Others have come along and done bits and
pieces better for sure, but no overall game/sim since has raised the bar as
much in one go. Which is natural; the closer you get to true realism, the
less you CAN advance in subsequent steps.

ISI (and their partners, i.e. SimBin) have indeed come a long way, but no
one has yet matched Papy for putting a total package together; physics,
graphics, interface, multiplayer, replay capability, controller support,
etc. I'd say DK's the best bet to surpass that benchmark, or maybe... (you
know who ;-)) But whoever manages it, the day can't come soon enough - I
need a good reason to build a new PC!

SB

by **Pete** » Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:33:32

Real-life Blowup Ruby. She's not for everyone and best played with
solo.

> > Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just hype.
> > RBR is the new GPL

> >> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any racing
> >> sims since about 2001.

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