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 >> ill be there

I'm with reg on this one.

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No big issue with the tracks; as long as they're well-designed they'll make
for good racing.  But count me as one of those totally underwhelmed by the
cars rFactor ships with.  Guess now we know what Smokin' Bob is smokin'.

But - it has to be said that the platform is certainly a big step forward
for ISI, and with their stance on mods and engine-licensing, it should
provide the basis for some interesting stuff in the next year or so.  The
F3's are the first hint of the mod action coming, and GTL should provide the
first proof of  the engine-licensing side (even if it doesn't have all the
new bits under the hood).  rFactor's not really revolutionary in any way,
and in some areas remains lacking; but some bits are indeed state of the
art.  Most importantly, the whole package functions well enough to be a
viable alternative to the other online simracing platforms.  That just
couldn't be said of any of its predecessors.  Well done ISI.

What with all the recent talk in simracing circles about the role and value
of mods and developers' stances on them, to me rFactor looks like the
perfect test case for that particular business model (cut development costs
by direct distribution and unlicensed content while extending revenues by
engine licensing).  Kaemmer & co. look to be at the other end of the
spectrum, so it'll be very interesting to see which plays out to be the
superior way for developers to thrive in this market.  Starting to look like
other bits of the entertainment industry in fact - Indies vs. the Studios.
Indies seem to have all the Mo of late.  Best to enjoy them while we keep
our popcorn warm for the next blockbuster... ;-)

SB

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We were having too much of a blast racing, you know, on *real* tracks with
*real* cars.  Its not even comparable.  The fact that you are comparing
rFactor to a sim release SEVEN years ago speaks for itself.

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I'm not sure why a lot of "fantasy" tracks are actually rather boring
too-here you have total freedom to make something to really blow
everyone's socks off, and you make-what?  A 2.2 mile road course
with virtually no elevation changes and simple constant radius turns
(no "compromise" corners either).  In NR2003 I've seen far too many
of these.  For some reason the racing community often comes
across as really conservative in some ways, and this is one of
them.

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You can't deny the factor of having the chance to drive around a track that
you would never in real life, tracks where you watched your heroes race on
them.  That's the major attraction of real-life tracks, and a big point over
fantasy ones.  Same for cars.

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He compared it to all sims.

A lot of people weren't running GPL. It ran poorly unless you had the very
latest computer setup.

The grip on the cars was way off. A few of us realized that from minute one.
Others had to wait until they were told by Kaemmer five years later before
they could figure it out.

There were fantasy cars and fantasy drivers in GPL.

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   It is being ported for rF.  In fact some have already tested it.  IF the  
multiplayer for rF works out and especially if the driver swap option
becomes enabled, then you can bet the Bullrun 1000 will be a non-papy event
for the first time in it's history.

dave henrie

   That probably is in refernce to a statement made in an interview after
one of the last versions was released.(N3 or N4 or N2k3,  I cannot separate
them enough in the past to remember)  To paraphrase from my foggy brain,  
he said he still liked GPL but couldn't race it anymore because the tire
model was either so bad or non-existant.  So he much preferred slogging
around with the Nascar tanks than dancing with GPL.  

dave henrie

And as for mod groups for ISI sims.....my guess is that they easily
outnumber the same for Papy sims and are no less determined, we're
currently co-operating with RSR for our NAGT mod and I have to say that
those guys have impressed me with the quality of their work so far

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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For many of them there is no need to start from scratch and redo those
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