rec.autos.simulators

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:50:59

Apparently Alldata has been informed about the newsgroup abuse.
Unfortunately, I'm now a target. THis weekend I posted several videos and
used the name Confused-- to hopefully slow down the late night thieves,
they might have to actually pay attention to which files they grabbed. I
didn't attempt to rename the files to match the alldata stuff, just changed
my name, which was clearly available in the headers anyhow. Not like I was
being sneaky. Anyhow we'll see if they ever get the message. Keep
posting replays or other sim files when you have the time to
alt.binaries.simulators.autos. Thanks.
dave henrie
you'd think it would be easy to spot the difference between Confused
and Confused--

by **Eldre** » Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:45:57

> Apparently Alldata has been informed about the newsgroup abuse.
>Unfortunately, I'm now a target.

Target from whom - the pirates, or AllData?

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:28:55

>> Apparently Alldata has been informed about the newsgroup abuse.
>>Unfortunately, I'm now a target.

> Target from whom - the pirates, or AllData?

> Eldred

zee Pirates...I have not hid my name or address. (never said I was
clever)

dave henrie

by **Ya O** » Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:31:12

your just asking for headache after headache messing with release groups.
It's a battle you won't win, they are kids with A LOT of time, a lot of
connections.

> >> Apparently Alldata has been informed about the newsgroup abuse.
> >>Unfortunately, I'm now a target.

> > Target from whom - the pirates, or AllData?

> > Eldred

> zee Pirates...I have not hid my name or address. (never said I was
> clever)

> dave henrie

by **Steve Whitt** » Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:34:58

Its that attitude that lets them win. theres always a bigger fish....

steve

> your just asking for headache after headache messing with release groups.
> It's a battle you won't win, they are kids with A LOT of time, a lot of
> connections.

> > >> Apparently Alldata has been informed about the newsgroup abuse.
> > >>Unfortunately, I'm now a target.

> > > Target from whom - the pirates, or AllData?

> > > Eldred

> > zee Pirates...I have not hid my name or address. (never said I was
> > clever)

> > dave henrie

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:40:14

Well the main poster was quiet for most of the week but is really
pumping out the stuff lately. I searched over the net for info about
killing the newsgroup and didn't find much info. I did get a few replies
that basically said the providers like Road Runner and attbi make thier
money from the fishes that suck up the files, so they are not inclined to
administer them. Of course a small company like all data can't afford the
legal fees to chase these guys.
My next brilliant idea, doomed to fail like all others, is to get an
online petition going and present it to the various providers providers
that are the current pipeline for the file abuse. rr.com, easynews.com,
Pretty much we are swimming upstream against these guys.
dave henrie

by **cheet** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:32:14

Ok. Here is the problem.
There is no closing the group, for the reasons mentioned above.
I have tried to post files, but my ISP is being difficult, can't post large
amounts of data.
But I was thinking of new tactic that I am going to try this week.
Posting large nubmers of smaller files. Not so much in an attempt to fool
people, but to play with the retention on the various news servers. If we
can post a huge number of files we could affect the files that might knock a
bunch of the files they want off servers. At best it is a inconvience for
this warez kiddies. But there isn't much else that can be done.
Or we could just start a new group. But that will run into the problem of
not being used that the previous group had.

by **Kevin Kin** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:42:39

I don't get it, what is the problem exactly? Sorry I don't know the details.

by **Ya O** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:08:00

trust me these kids don't stop.
I have been around a long time, I'm not trolling here just letting ya know
it is almost futile.
Don't think for a second it's only your group that gets effect by this kinda
of stuff.

Here's a very recent example, Binnews.com use to use a.b.triballs as there 0
day release forum, the kids didn't like that you had to pay to get access
to the file names and the bombed the group.

muster and they failed.

Hope this helps,

Tony RoZe

by **Malc** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 04:43:00

I don't get it, what is the problem exactly? Sorry I don't know the
details.

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Please don't post html.

The problem is that on those occasions where someone genuinely wants to use
the newsgroup, the files are 'pushed' off the server before many get the
chance to download the complete file.

Dave and the others are attempting to turn the tables & perform the same
trick on them.

If someone continually put their trash in your bin, so much that you
couldn't fit all your own trash in, it'd annoy you. This is similar.

I don't really think they'll give up, but I can't blame Dave for trying.

by **Kevin Kin** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 05:36:23

Oh I see, so someone is using the sim binaries to upload another NGs stuff?

by **Jeff Hail** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:20:03

I had notified ALLDATA via the Sales Dept.last week of the actions of
Confused. I included header information that would point to the source.
I'm not sure if they are too stupid to figure out the difference between
Road Runneer and ATT domains, but sorry for the possible legal implications
Dave. I don't know the size or structure of the company, but figured the
sales dept would be the one affected most. (therefore willing to take the
highest action) There may or may not be a real impact on the intended
purpose of the NG, but I object to it on an ethical point of view. The NG
has a stated intention and what these guys are doing is outside the intent
of the NG. I hope we can have some impact, but I have to admit that we
really didn't utilise the group and left it a wide open target for pirating.

Thanks for your interest and assistance.Sorry for any inconvienience,

Jeff

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:08:15

I think because I have been the most visible, they assumed it was me.
What I found funny was somebody complained because I posted clearly marked
sim videos but I used the name Confused-- as my name. (the big distributor
currently uses the name Confused) They thought I was being cheap. :)
I guess there is.....honor...amoung...thieves..... NOT!
dave henrie

No inconvience...You'd think that folks who don't want the world to
notice what they are doing, would slink away to another group rather than
stay publicly visible.
dave henrie

> Jeff

>> Oh I see, so someone is using the sim binaries to upload another NGs
> stuff?

Oh sorry I didn't reply to this in Kevin's post..hopefully he'll see it.
IT's not another newsgroup using RAS's binary sibling, but Software
thieves distributing thousands of dollars worth of professional grade
software. These are not 40 dollar games they are passing back and forth
but big bucks software used to instruct mechanics on the various updates in
car repair and diagnostics.
dh

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:40:39

Here is another idea to dislodge the pirates. I'd need some TECHNICAL
advice tho to pull it off.
As they post files...we dload one part and stick some garbage back into
the raw text. making sure that if you add 2 or 3 characters, you delete 2
or 3 characters. I tried messing with one file in several spots and then
re-uploading the file.

post.org>

However it didn't list exactly as I uploaded it.
I got the first part correct, but then instead of the name of the
attachment I just got a generic 1/2 attachment so it stood out like a sore
thumb. Actually the first test was (DOH!) under my own name again, not
Confused's.
But anyhow...if we could camouflage the file to look just like the
original, it would then be sorted under the same header. Getting a corrupt
file in random portions of a file might tend to***off the dloaders. We
might posibly dload whole threads, and reupload them again. But getting
the size of the upload to match the original is again over my head.

by **Ya O** » Sun, 06 Apr 2003 08:46:06

here is a very simple answer to why you will not succeed.
Most people you are posting for have access to the binaries via their ISP,
max retention maybe 3 -5 days
These posters and the people they are feeding use private NNTP servers such
as easynews, supernews, etc.
These servers have 30 + days retention.

So what you are doing doesn't even get noticed by them.

Keep trying :o)

> Here is another idea to dislodge the pirates. I'd need some TECHNICAL
> advice tho to pull it off.
> As they post files...we dload one part and stick some garbage back into
> the raw text. making sure that if you add 2 or 3 characters, you delete 2
> or 3 characters. I tried messing with one file in several spots and then
> re-uploading the file.

> post.org>

> However it didn't list exactly as I uploaded it.
> I got the first part correct, but then instead of the name of the
> attachment I just got a generic 1/2 attachment so it stood out like a sore
> thumb. Actually the first test was (DOH!) under my own name again, not
> Confused's.
> But anyhow...if we could camouflage the file to look just like the
> original, it would then be sorted under the same header. Getting a
corrupt
> file in random portions of a file might tend to***off the dloaders. We
> might posibly dload whole threads, and reupload them again. But getting
> the size of the upload to match the original is again over my head.

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